[Drew68]

so you want others to pay you for having kids and not making much money?

We pay people for having kids and not working at all.

However, if you take away working people's refundable child tax credits, the refund they use to pay for Christmas, don't expect them to be happy about it.

People will put up with the tweets, the Russia stuff, the p**sy grabbing, whatever and they don't mind but when they lose money, they take notice.

[rolling_stone]

when they lose money, they take notice.

so do you pay zero taxes and lost a refund of non refundable tax credits?

[Svartalfiar]

However, if you take away working people's refundable child tax credits, the refund they use to pay for Christmas, don't expect them to be happy about it.

Working people are unlikely to actually use the 'refundable' part of the credit. They likely owe enough taxes to still pay some of them. The only people who actual get that credit as a 'refund' are people who don't make money in the first place. There shouldn't be ANY refundable credits. You should only be able to lower your tax bill by the taxes you've paid. That's it.