Posted on 11/22/2017 7:41:43 AM PST by Simon Green
With a mandate to transfer the Army’s stockpile of vintage M1911 pistols to the Civilian Marksmanship Program looming, what should those interested in picking one up expect?
The 2018 National Defense Authorization Act approved by Congress last week consists of hundreds of sections ranging from reports on the U.S. strategy in Syria to programs authorizing new icebreakers. One of these sections outlines a two-year pilot program for moving the Army’s surplus .45ACP GI longslides to the federally chartered non-profit corporation tasked with promoting firearms safety training and rifle practice. Here’s what to expect.
What’s up for grabs?
In 2015, U.S. Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Alabama, disclosed that the military currently spends about $2 per year to store 100,000 Model 1911s that are surplus to the Army’s needs. While 8,300 have been sold or loaned in recent years – largely through the Department of Defense’s 1033 Program, which offers eligible law enforcement agencies up to one pistol per full-time officer – the guns still on hand have in many cases been stored since the 1980s when they were withdrawn from service in favor of the then-new Beretta 92F (M9). Production of 1911’s for military contracts largely ended by 1945, meaning the guns on hand date to the World War II-era or before.
On a visit to the “Army’s attic” the Army Museum Support Center at Anniston Army Depot earlier this year, Guns.com was shown crates packed and filled with M1911s pulled from the military’s museum stocks that were in excess of the service’s needs, pending shipment to the CMP once the handgun program got underway. This means there are literally everything from museum pieces on the high-end of the spectrum to stripped receivers on the low end and everything in between.
How do you get them?
By law, the CMP can only sell surplus military firearms given to the organization by the Army to adult members of affiliated clubs who meet certain guidelines. These include being a U.S. citizen who is not prohibited from possessing a firearm as well as proving membership in a CMP-affiliated organization and, for those under 60, proof of marksmanship-related activity.
On the bright side, there are literally thousands of shooting and collecting clubs as well as Veterans organizations such as the VFW that are affiliated with the CMP and showing marksmanship or firearms knowledge is as easy as sending in a copy of a concealed carry permit, military service records or proof of participation in a shooting competition.
When will they be available?
First off, the NDAA still must be approved by the White House and signed into law. Under its guidelines, no less than 8,000 M1911s — and no more than 10,000 — are to be sent by the military to the CMP each year for the next two years, which will require the Secretary of the Army to implement. Transporting the guns from the Anniston Army Depot across town to the CMP’s warehouses is the easy part. The lengthy process will start when CMP starts going through the mystery crates and inspecting, grading, test-firing and cataloging what is inside, which could take months. Some guns could be incomplete. Others could need significant repairs. The odds of finding a mint-in-the-box specimen that has escaped 70-years of Army life without being issued will be slim, but even those guns will have to be checked and certified.
What will they cost?
Military contract 1911s were made by several commercial vendors to include Colt, Ithaca, North American, Remington Rand, Singer, UMC and Union Switch & Signal as well as in government arsenals at Springfield Armory and were often reworked by unit armorers in the field and at depots during their lifespan.
Some extremely rare variants such as 1916-marked examples, “big stamp” guns with oversized property marks, and those with limited runs, as in the case with Singers and US&S, currently garner soaring prices with collectors. Such rare birds, if found in good condition from the Army, will likely be culled from the herd and sold on individual auctions through the CMP’s site, which is customary for sought-after models.
The more rank and file examples would likely be sold graded in varying degrees such as the group does with their M1 rifles (e.g. rack-field-service-special-correct-collector) at sliding prices close to market scale, sorted by receiver manufacturer.
Still, no matter what, the gun will be an actual real-deal “Government Issue 1911” which is a timeless aesthetic that has proved to be popular with a host of gun makers over the past century and never goes out of style.
After being in service so long they are likely rode hard and put up wet. Might need a fair amount of work. Of course there are a lot of parts and accessories for that platform.
CC
I want one. I’m waiting for the word from the CMP.
The thought of them amassing the market and thereby getting a discount on one of them is probably far fetched. Hopefully no arms company will buy them in bulk and resell for top $$. The cheapest new Glock is around $400. Start from there.
Slightly off-topic....
Shotting my Colt pre-A1 1911 last weekend, the front sight flew off. Searched high and low, but couldn’t find it.
Any recommendations on how best to replace? It’s def not a safe queen, but I’d like to keep it correct.
I suspect they will have so much interest that some kind of lottery system will be put in place, and a fixed price as you suggest.
“By law, the CMP can only sell surplus military firearms given to the organization by the Army to adult members of affiliated clubs who meet certain guidelines. These include being a U.S. citizen who is not prohibited from possessing a firearm as well as proving membership in a CMP-affiliated organization and, for those under 60, proof of marksmanship-related activity.”
Wait, What !?
I thought the CMP was the government’s response to “A militia, well regulated”?
The second amendment requires the government to regulate (To keep in good working condition) the Militia and provide guns to it’s people.
the CMP is now saying that if I’m under 60 I have to prove that I am into shooting sports ? Another way that the government has totally betrayed us.
Is that new? I’ve never bought a CMP gun, was looking at Garands often-on and I don’t recall seeing that requirement. I was just browsing so maybe I just didn’t notice.
I remember my officer let me qualify with his .45 and when I cleaned it after I was astounded at how old and worn the parts were! The nines were just coming in and only the Major had one that he wore in a shoulder rig. The Major also looked and talked like Michael Ironside in Starship Troopers.
The current production Remington R1, a 1911 type, is available in the mid-$500s (and up) and is made in the USA. They are nice guns and Remington does have a war time history with the 1911.
“. . . the military currently spends about $2 per year to store 100,000 Model 1911s that are surplus to the Army’s needs . . .”
$2 per year per gun?
It’d be funny if like the Carson City Morgan dollars found in the 70’s there were piles of Singers and Union Switch & Signal guns in there near new.
Since we the taxpayers paid for them we the taxpayers should get first dibs on them. I say a lottery. Leave out the gun clubs. No criminal background.10 day waiting period for $25 like my last purchase. Plus they should be given away for FREE.
Might not be.
.45’s were standard issue for our unit from the 70’s to when they were replaced by the 9mm.
Serviceable but mostly they were only taken out of the arms room a couple of times a and cleaned. I can only remember a couple of times in 15 years taking it out to the range and shooting it.
Mostly we just carried and shot the M16.
The 1911 is just a backup weapon in Army. Police departments that use handguns as their primary weapons did not trust it, but continued using revolvers, until the Glock arrived!
I'm guessing "run of the mill" 1911A1s will start at $1000 or so. The more collectible ones will be auctioned off for whatever the market will bear.
I’ve bought 4 Garands off of CMP. They have always done the standard background check but also required a copy of your membership card to a local range or club that is somehow on their radar. My guess is that this is how they entice people to excel at shooting. It satisfies their mission statement to sell guns not just to those who want to collect them, but to those that will use them to improve their marksmanship.
A little more in depth on who is affiliated “... In addition to shooting clubs, the CMP also has several special affiliates. Membership in these organizations satisfies our requirement for purchase. These special affiliates include: Congressionally chartered veterans’ organizations such as the VFW, AL, DAV, MCL, etc. U.S. Military services (active or reserves), National Guard, to include retirees. Professional 501(c)3 law enforcement organizations and associations such as the FOP, NAPO, NSA, etc...”
Me too!
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