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Saudi Prince Muhammad On Eve of Accession, Plans War On Iran, with Israeli Attack on Hizballah
Debkafiles ^ | Nov 19 2017 ast

Posted on 11/21/2017 2:15:45 PM PST by drewh

The next Saudi King Crown Prince Muhammad and Israel agree that Iran is the biggest threat to the region, but Israel’s top soldier rules out initiating an attack on Hizballah.

Two London publications on the same day shed unusual light on the next chapter in Saud royal history, as well as on the hitherto semi-clandestine ties between Riyadh and Jerusalem.

Daily Mail, quoting “a source close to the Saudi royal family” reported that King Salman, 91, intends to give up the throne next week and name his son, Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman, 32 as his successor. The king will reportedly confine himself to ceremonial duties retaining only the title of “Custodian of the Holy Shrines.”

Nearly two weeks ago, Prince Muhammad ordered 500 notables, including princes, former ministers and business leaders detained on charges of corruption. The British newspaper carried the first photos of the distinguished detainees sleeping on mattresses on the floor of the five-star Carlton Ritz Riyadh.

After he is crowned king, the prince will focus on Iran, according the Daily Mail. His plan is “to start the fire in Lebanon, in the hope of Israeli military backing.” He is convinced he has to hit Iran and Hizballah – contrary to the advice of the royal family – and will enlist the help of the Israeli military to crush Hizballah, for which he has promised Israel billions of dollars if they agree.”

The source stressed: MBS can’t confront Hizballah in Lebanon without Israel. The Daily Mail did not reveal how Israel sees this proposition – only that the prince has a Plan B: to fight Hizballah in Syria. Neither did its source explain how this would come about amid a crumbling Syrian insurgency.

Middle East sources note that rumors of King Salman’s imminent abdication and handover to his son Muhammad have been around for some time and are credible, given the monarch’s failing health. Many of the hundreds of high-profile figures he placed under detention on Nov. 4 are opposed to his accession.

That the Crown Prince will focus on Iran is also credible – except that more than a year ago, he declared that Saudi Arabia was at war with the Islamic Republic in Yemen and it is not going very well. The Saudis and their allies, the UAE, are stuck in a standoff with the Iranian-backed Yemeni Houthi rebels. Iran moreover threatens their ports and capital cities with missile strikes. However, when the Houthis fired a ballistic missile supplied by Iran at Riyadh international Airport on Nov. 4, Prince Muhammad called it an act of war.

He is turning to Israel and its armed forces, not just as the only reliable military and intelligence force capable of handling the opening shots of the war on Iran, but out of their shared perception of Iran as the biggest threat to the Middle East. He moreover no longer expects active and determined participation in fighting Iran from the US under President Donald Trump. On this last point, Saudi Arabia and Israel are divided.

In an interview with the London-based, Saudi-owned news site Elaph – his first with a Saudi publication – that was published on the same day as the Daily Mail story, IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen Gady Eisenkot laid out what he thinks are Iran’s ambitions in the Middle East: “The Iranian plan is to control the Middle East by means of two Shiite crescents. The first from Iran through Iraq to Syria and Lebanon, and the second from Bahrain through to Yemen until the Red Sea,” he said, adding: “This is what must be prevented in the region.”

“With [US] President Donald Trump, there is an opportunity for a new international coalition in the region,” he said, citing the US, Arab nations including Saudi Arabia and Israel “for stopping the Iranian threat.” “We are ready to exchange experiences with moderate Arab countries and exchange intelligence to confront Iran,” he added. While the Israeli general stressed the importance of the Trump administration’s role in this effort, the Daily Mail’s Saudi source did not mention the United States at all.

So while the prince who may be crowned Saudi king next week and Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu agree that Iran is the biggest threat to the region and beyond, they are at odds on how to cut it down and who should lead the effort. Prince Muhammad’s thinking on this resembles the Israel’s approach to the Iranian threat five years ago, that if the IDF decided to go it alone, the Americans will jump in later. But today, Eisenkott reflected a different approach. He stressed in the interview that Israel “isn’t interested in a war now with the Iranian-backed Lebanese terror group Hizballah, despite Iranian attempts to bring about an escalation.”

Riyadh may take this as Israel’s reply to prince Muhammad’s plan: Several billion dollars will not persuade Israel to send the IDF to fight a war except in its direct national interest, even though Israel and Saudi leaders and military chiefs are in complete accord on the Iranian peril.


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To: DIRTYSECRET

First, let them carve each other up like Hitler and Stalin did for 2+ years b4 Normandy.


21 posted on 11/21/2017 4:56:45 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: I got the rope

“I wonder if there are a ton of incidents in SA that we are not hearing about?”

The Saudi regime has always had to work hard to suppress their Shia minority (10-15%), and Iran has long sought to develop fifth columns inside Saudi Arabia (the Saudis in turn cultivate anti-regime groups inside Iran).

The Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia bordering the Persian Gulf (where most of the oil is) has always had a significant Shi’ite population - the biggest concentration in the kingdom. Neighboring Bahrain actually has a Shi’ite majority, although the ruling family and Government are Sunni.

The Governor of the Eastern province has always had a special role in controlling the Shia, and they have historically appointed famously tough guys for that role.

The Khobar Towers bombing which targeted US troops in the Eastern Province (near Dammam/Dhahran) was an Iranian operation. Last year, the Saudis executed the famous Saudi Shi’ite Cleric Nimr al Nimr. There was fear at the time that the Shia might come out in open rebellion if the execution was carried out, but it did not materialize.

The Sunni/Shia conflict is a significant domestic security issue for the Saudis, as well as perhaps their main foreign policy security concern.


22 posted on 11/21/2017 4:58:33 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

I would think that any Saudi leader would want to get things a lot more settled in Yemen before expanding the conflict. It will be great if the Crown Prince (imminent King?) is so aware of Iranian threats, but I find it difficult to take the Debka piece at face value. Why would any Saudi Arabian leader want to blow up Lebanon right now? Only if they think Hizbullah is about to unleash something and they are acting pre-emptively???


23 posted on 11/21/2017 5:07:36 PM PST by Enchante (Bill, Anthony, Harvey .... how does lesbo Hillary manage to surround herself with male predators???)
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To: reg45

Bad idea! Iran has three times as many people as Saudi Arabia.

Iran has also recruited militias from other Shi’te populations to fight for them. Like Hizbollah in Lebanon, they have several in Iraq, as well as Foreign Legion-like militias of Afghan and Pakistani Shi’ites fighting for them in Syria, and the Houthis in Yemen.

In turn, the Saudis have a smattering of foreign Sunnis fighting for them in Yemen, but have historically wielded the large Egyptian and Turkish Armies as their Sunni surrogates (the Turks are no longer on board) - as well as the Superpower American Trump card.

In the case of Iran, Saudi ally Pakistan shares a border with Iran, and could pose a formidable military threat.

The joke has long been that if Saudi Arabia decided to go to war, the big question would be who get’s the contract. Looks like Israel is now under consideration by the Saudis, to take on a war for them.


24 posted on 11/21/2017 5:15:56 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: Enchante

“Why would any Saudi Arabian leader want to blow up Lebanon right now?”

The Saudis are being surrounded, and the dominoes in the region are rapidly falling in Iran’s favor.

The Pro-Western Kurds in Iraq were recently stripped of the Kirkuk oil fields (by Shia militias), and previous powerful ally Turkey has no sided with Iranian-leaning Qatar against the Saudis.

In recent weeks, Iranian-supported militias in Syria and Iraq captured the cities of Abu Kamal and al Qaim from ISIS, securing a road across the Syrian/Iraqi border.

This completes the long held Iranian strategic objective of securing a “Shia Crescent” - a continuous land route from Iran to the Mediterranean, where the Iranian military has freedom of movement. Saudi Arabia has just been flanked to North by their mortal enemy, who is already on their Southern Flank in Yemen, an eight hour drive from Mecca.

The Saudis are being surrounded.


25 posted on 11/21/2017 5:27:36 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: Enchante

Correction on Iran completing their “Shia Crescent”.

ISIS re-captured the Syrian Border City of Abu Kamal (Albu Kamal, Al Bukamal, are all correct variations).

This might be the Saudis last stand to prevent the Iranian envelopment, using their jihadi surrogates of ISIS.

Reportedly, Iranian General Sulemani has personally set up a command post to direct the battle, and lost his right hand man in the fighting. Looks like the Iranians will soon recapture the town and secure their main supply route however.


26 posted on 11/21/2017 5:46:27 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

The Saudis are our enemies, just like the Iranians. Remember 9/11?

A pox on both their houses.


27 posted on 11/21/2017 6:25:57 PM PST by CrimsonTidegirl
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To: drewh
a source close to the Saudi royal family

It's kind of an extended family. Which part is the source close to?

28 posted on 11/21/2017 8:28:50 PM PST by NutsOnYew (If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be.)
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Consider the source. As to SA planning a war with Iran, and Israel planning a war with Hizbollah/Lebanon, of course they've planned these things.

29 posted on 11/22/2017 7:35:34 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: BeauBo

thanks for your insights Bo, good as always.


30 posted on 11/22/2017 12:09:24 PM PST by drewh
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