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To: rktman

Ruining engines is a preposterous claim. The engine lives of cars and trucks is some 2-3 times greater now. Just the other day, a young woman I know had just had her dad’s truck, a gasoline engine, turning over 400k miles. Point two- the ethanol subsidy ended in 2012. Capturing sun energy by plants is far and away the most efficient—400 gallons of ethanol per plus high protein feed, plus many other corn based products. You don’t have to use it. There is gas without ethanol.


6 posted on 11/06/2017 6:46:47 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Neoliberalnot

“There is gas without ethanol.” Ergo my “need” for a subsidy. ;-)


7 posted on 11/06/2017 6:48:28 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Neoliberalnot

>>There is gas without ethanol.

Not true in many geographies, it is required by the EPA formulation rules. It doesn’t exist in metro ATL.


14 posted on 11/06/2017 7:02:23 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Neoliberalnot

There’s maybe 3 stations more than 75 miles from me in CA with E free gas.

A requirement to utilize something is the same as a subsidy for the producers, it creates artificial demand.

You get crappier gas mileage (10-15% lower) due to the lower unit energy.

It sequesters water when allowed to sit for long periods.

My pre 1960’s Briggs and Strattons and my 1928 Maytag don’t like it.

The extra “load” it puts on our national topsoil resources is an issue. There’s less incentive to rotate to soil resting crops or allow large fallow areas to regenerate.


That said, it is a premium octane enhancer plus if you have a vehicle with the capability to burn E85 you have the potential to have several thousand gallons of fuel in a SHTF scenario if you store several hundred gallons of pure gas and can make alcohol...


18 posted on 11/06/2017 7:04:49 AM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Hey now, stop making sense! Some people’s greatest source of satisfaction is bashing alternative energy (or Sessions) on FR!


22 posted on 11/06/2017 7:09:08 AM PST by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: Neoliberalnot

“...the ethanol subsidy ended in 2012...”
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MANDATED USE = SUBSIDY

The economic effect is the same. Why do you fear letting the free market decide how much (if any) corn derived ethanol will be used for fuel? You and I both know the answer to that. There are many forms of corrupt cronyism and they ALL cause economic inefficiencies and less overall national wealth than a free market would otherwise deliver.


24 posted on 11/06/2017 7:11:48 AM PST by House Atreides (BOYCOTT the NFL, its products and players 100% - PERMANENTLY)
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To: Neoliberalnot
Where does one begin? Making ethanol from corn is very inefficient, sugar is much better. Why don't we use that?

I know of one gas station in my world (over an hour away) which carries no-ethanol gas. It is simply not readily supplied. Ethanol from corn is a scam that we continue to pay for.

49 posted on 11/06/2017 8:15:59 AM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: Neoliberalnot
You don’t have to use it. There is gas without ethanol.

The nearest Pure Gas station is more than 30 miles from me.

Subsidizing corn growers for this bureaucratic boondoggle is not a conservative stance. It should stand or fall on its own merits, not at the point of government guns.

56 posted on 11/06/2017 9:53:51 AM PST by zeugma (I always wear my lucky red shirt on away missions!)
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