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To: proud American in Canada

I am of two minds on this.

Women serve well in the Israeli Army. They service in combat.

Many, many years ago, women served alongside my husband in the MP’s and did outstanding.

I believe if they are treated as soldiers rather than women soldiers, they can serve and succeed. The problem arises when the military expects one thing and then accepts another.

Currently, women expect special treatment and men expect to be able to take advantage of women soldiers without consequence.


30 posted on 10/11/2017 6:53:44 PM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: Duchess47
Women serve well in the Israeli Army.

That is true. I am a big fan of NCIS and loved Ziva (I think that was her name). They can be pretty tough.

And they have certain skills...think Mata Hari. ;)

36 posted on 10/11/2017 6:59:53 PM PDT by proud American in Canada ( I appear to have accidentally deleted my tagline. :()
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To: Duchess47

>Women serve well in the Israeli Army. They service in combat.

They served so well that Israel lost their last ground war against Hezbola in 2006. That’s the only actual war to employ female grounds units in large numbers.


39 posted on 10/11/2017 7:03:39 PM PDT by RedWulf
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To: Duchess47
Women serve well in the Israeli Army. They service in combat.

It is a common misconception that Israeli women serve in combat roles. Actually, they do not. While IDF support troops are never far from the front and are thus well trained and armed to fight defensively, the Israelis learned a long time ago that females have no place whatsoever in frontline ground combat. Infantry in battle is hell on earth for men.

At best, the presence of women weakens unit cohesion among the stronger males who are capable of carrying their own loads -- and capable of fighting other strong men. As for the worst case, did I mention fighting? In actual ground combat, the strongest women would be brutalized by the average infantrymen. Hollywood is not real life, and strong men fighting for their lives are not gentlemen.

58 posted on 10/11/2017 7:35:52 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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Israel tried women in combat. It was a dismal failure. It was ended.

Women absolutely should not serve in any combat function, especially infantry and Special Forces. When a woman makes inside linebacker on the Seattle Seahawks she’ll be ready for close-quarters combat. Guess what. It ain’t happening. Political correctness is killing the military. A nation that sends its women to fight its wars is not is not worth defending.


72 posted on 10/11/2017 8:28:21 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Man without God descends into madness")
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To: Duchess47

Military traditionalists say women’s combat roles in the Israel Defense Forces are exaggerated by advocates in the U.S., noting as an example a recent IDF decision to keep Israeli women from serving on main battle tanks.

As the U.S. military prepares to open most, if not all, infantry, armor and special operations units to women, activists often point to the IDF as an illustration of a military in which women are thriving in ground combat units.
But a closer look shows Israeli women are not in direct combat special operations such as the Green Berets. Nor are they in front-line combat brigades mobilized to engage in direct heavy combat.

In the infantry, virtually all of Israel’s female combat soldiers are confined to two light battalions — the Caracal and the Lions of Jordan — which are assigned to guard the borders with Egypt and Jordan, the only Arab countries that have peace treaties with Israel.

“Uniformed Israeli women patrol the borders or help to train men for combat positions, but these important missions do not involve direct ground combat, meaning deliberate offensive action against the enemy,” said Elaine Donnelly, who heads the Center for Military Readiness. “None of America’s allies, much less potential adversaries, are treating women like men in the combat arms.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/25/womens-combat-roles-in-israel-defense-forces-exagg/


76 posted on 10/11/2017 8:42:06 PM PDT by Signalman
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