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What Happened in Vegas(debunking conspiracy theories?)
americanthinker.com ^ | 10/8/2017 | Henry Percy

Posted on 10/08/2017 7:58:52 AM PDT by rktman

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To: rktman

Yep, the LV shooter was a lone, crazy White guy, just as that bad driver in London yesterday had a medical issue. And why shouldn’t I trust the FBI, or the handmaidens of the local gaming industry in Nevada? Don’t trust me, ask Harry Reid.


41 posted on 10/08/2017 9:02:27 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: ilovesarah2012

Did you read the similar pattern of 90+ incidents of Islamic attacks in the U.S. list? “Presumption” means at some point, unless proven otherwise, you assume this kind of pattern of unprovoked attack and mass killing are done by Islamic jihadism. ISIS claims support the presumption.

It hasn’t been proven either way, but until it is, I think it is a valid presumption.


42 posted on 10/08/2017 9:04:41 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Sontagged
Beware anyone who shuts down normal discourse and analysis of all theories...

You are exactly right. Accusations of "conspiracy theorist" have become the equivalent of accusations of "racist" -- broadening a term (in this case "conspiracy theory") to such an extent as to become essentially meaningless. But the accusation carries with it the connotation of the more accurate, and more limited, definition.

Speculation on motive, is not "conspiracy theory". It is "speculation". Speculation on additional shooters is not "conspiracy theory". It is "speculation". In fact, very little of what goes under the accusatory heading of "conspiracy theory" is in any way tied to an actual "conspiracy", and is certainly in no way a "theory". Speculation is good, valuable, and a vital way in which ordinary people provide a balance to the immense powers inherent in law enforcement. Even when speculation is bizarre, lacking evidence, and implausible, it still serves a role (a very vital role).

Speculation has nothing in common with things like bigfoot, the lunar landing, and aliens. These things are not mere speculation, but rather full blown coverups so vast that they require an actual "conspiracy".

Yet, there seems to be far too many people who are so scared of the accusation of "conspiracy theory", that they shy away from the good, natural, and vital speculation that they would otherwise engage in. Much like someone so scared of accusations of "racist" that they stick their head in the sand about very real problems which exist.
43 posted on 10/08/2017 9:05:54 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: CivilWarBrewing

I could offer another alternative, while freely admitting that it is only conjecture.

A foreign government who desired to create political unrest in this country could also be involved.

Anyone who understands the political climate in the US would understand that this shooting would prompt the Left to argue for increased gun control.

And the same person would understand the fundamental distrust by middle America of TPTB, who would only be too happy to implement gun restrictions.

We are at a very volatile point in US history.

This shooting was intended to be a match.


44 posted on 10/08/2017 9:10:38 AM PDT by independentmind (Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me.)
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To: Kenny

Law enforcement keeps saying that there is no “clear” connection to terrorism and that he “may have been radicalized.” All the while, they let their officers trowel out their narrative on 60 Minutes. Clear doesn’t mean no connection and may have been doesn’t mean wasn’t. They will delay, dodge and drag out while the media and politicians do their cover up.


45 posted on 10/08/2017 9:11:45 AM PDT by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: Alberta's Child

I think he was laundering money through online gambling and if he was, that makes him a high level criminal and tbat changes the game.


46 posted on 10/08/2017 9:16:59 AM PDT by RC one (The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
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To: rktman

Those going with the Vegas Prophet; well,I’ll just be kind and say, that really seems far out.


47 posted on 10/08/2017 9:17:21 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: independentmind
What is odd to me is that anyone who raises questions about the crazed lone gunman HYPOTHESIS is automatically tagged as a conspiracy theorist.

That's because Second Gunman Theory Disorder is a fairly common condition. When a great crime occurs and only one perpetrator is involved some people tend to gravitate to the delusion that due to the disproportionate relationship between the perpetrator and the importance of their victim or number of victims, there must have been more than one perpetrator involved. Evidence or lack of evidence notwithstanding.

Second Gunman Theory Disorder is impossible to treat as far as I can tell. No amount of evidence can dispel the delusion once it set in. The best thing to do is just dismiss people with this condition out of hand. You'll only frustrate yourself and anger them if you try to argue with them.

48 posted on 10/08/2017 9:20:33 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Dump Flake)
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To: MD Expat in PA

Reading some of these makes me realize there are people that don’t get outside and enjoy life. They’d much rather try to toss 1000 turds at the wall and really when you throw 1000 turds at the wall only one has to stick to be called a genius right?

I’ll posit that he was invaded by an alien anal probe.


49 posted on 10/08/2017 9:24:18 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Well I don’t necesarily subscribe to a second gunman theory.

I just don’t think that it has been adequately demonstrated that there were not other persons in the room with Paddock, or that he killed himself.

And what is still missing is a motive that is consistent with the fact patterns of his life.

It is intellectually lazy to assume, in the absence of available evidence, that Paddock was simply a crazed loner who decided to go on a shooting rampage.


50 posted on 10/08/2017 9:25:38 AM PDT by independentmind (Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me.)
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To: Jarhead9297
🤖📡🛰. Better call.......Cartman. He'll know. 👹
51 posted on 10/08/2017 9:27:28 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: RC one

It sure does.

If he was involved in money laundering, and there is circumstantial evidence that suggests this possibility, he could have been perceived as a threat by anyone who was also involved in the transactions.

Money launderers generally perform this as a service to others.


52 posted on 10/08/2017 9:30:31 AM PDT by independentmind (Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me.)
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To: independentmind
If this were an Antifa-inspired assault on patriotic, flag-waving Trump supporters, THIS WOULD BE AN ACT OF CIVIL WAR AND THE LEFTISTS COULD EXPECT SEVERE RETALIATION IN RESPONSE.

This is why the gov't would NEVER reveal the true motive. THEY KNOW THEY COULD EXPECT RETALIATION IF THE LEFT WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR AN ACT OF WAR UPON TRUMP SUPPORTERS!

53 posted on 10/08/2017 9:34:11 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Feminism DESTROYED females)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

I see an antifa connection as a remote possibility.

Antifa is basically aimed at street level action. If Paddock was involved with others, the others would be at a substantially higher pay grade than antifa.


54 posted on 10/08/2017 9:37:22 AM PDT by independentmind (Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me.)
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To: rktman
😂😂😂
55 posted on 10/08/2017 9:37:38 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
I believe the Secret Service agent carrying the AR-15 in the motorcade accidentally fired the fatal head shot at Kennedy when the SS agent's car lurched following the first shot by Oswald.

I've been called crazy for believing this, but I am entitled to believe it and I continue to believe it. The SS would NEVER admit it for obvious reasons.

56 posted on 10/08/2017 9:40:15 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Feminism DESTROYED females)
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To: rktman

Why have we not seen Videos of Paddock entering and exiting his room? How in the world does that impede an investigation? It doesn’t. This investigation is on par with the San Bernardino, where the FBI surrendered the Terrorist apartment to Press rampage within two days, leaving IDs on beds, paper work in files not opened or searched in closets, the refrigerator left untouched. The FBI couldn’t find a hipster in the Bronx.


57 posted on 10/08/2017 9:50:49 AM PDT by heights
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To: CivilWarBrewing
I believe the Secret Service agent carrying the AR-15...

The only Armalite AR-15s I know existed in November of '63, other than a few prototypes, were 1010 which were issued to special forces units in South Vietnam. But that doesn't make any difference to you because you are suffering from SGDS.

58 posted on 10/08/2017 10:05:25 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Dump Flake)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Um, I think that was tongue in cheek directed at the conspiracy folks. Or not. 🙀😹👹🍿🍻🚬. Now if had been an Uzi, we could talk...... 😃
59 posted on 10/08/2017 10:12:50 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: rktman

The cover up is on.


60 posted on 10/08/2017 10:15:25 AM PDT by TennTuxedo
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