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To: DCBryan1

One thing that I have always adored about Free republic is the vast quantity of thoughtful and informed analysis and information about a multiplicity of subjects. I am EXTREMELY disappointed about much of the bump fire stock controversy. Much of it sounds has though it was promulgated by the ignorant gun grabbing left.

I am a 2 tour Vietnam infantry combat veteran, and a member of the Illinois National guard for 26 years, to include service in iraq and the first Gulf War. I was a certified Illinois State Police Firearms and Defensive tactics instructor, and a member of Special Reaction and SWAT teams. I have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds through automatic weapons of all types, belt fed and shoulder mounted, ranging from .45 caliber M-3 sub machine guns up to M2A1 40 mm twin anti-aircraft guns mounted on an M-42 self propelled anti-aircraft gun.

I am retired and spend one day a month on the rifle range shooting my AR-15 rifles. When this slide fire device was first introduced, the low cost and novelty intrigued me and I purchased one. It was a bit awkward to use at first, but in one afternoon, after a bit of practice I was able to get 90% of any length burst on a man sized target at 75 yards, which is close to the normal engagement ranges for truly effective full auto fire from shoulder mounted weapons. It is not as useful has a true selective fire assault rifle since it requires two hands to employ, but it DOES have some measure of limited tactical utility for anyone who practices with it. I never really considered this item to be a true tactical instrument, but I did appreciate the ingenuity and thought that went into turning “bump fire’ into almost as accurate a technique has I could use with a true select fire assault rifle.

The battle has been joined. The anti-gun hysterics are in full cry. They will never satisfied until they achieve near total firearm confiscation. The genie is out of the bottle. You cannot stop psychopaths employing bump fire methods unless you can repeal the laws of Newtonian physics. I realize that some sort of regulation will ensue in the wake of this horrific atrocity. But i don’t like it one damn bit.

If they do this, then they should compromise by repealing the 1986 Hughes Act which caused the prices of full auto weapons to skyrocket. There is NO REASON for a legally transferable M-16 to cost over 50,000 dollars. You can be assured that any such owner will be thoroughly vetted by the background check that would be required to purchase one.


102 posted on 10/05/2017 2:15:52 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: DMZFrank

“If they do this, then they should compromise by repealing the 1986 Hughes Act which caused the prices of full auto weapons to skyrocket. There is NO REASON for a legally transferable M-16 to cost over 50,000 dollars.”


Amazingly, you can in theory buy an M-16 that was manufactured at 11:59 P.M. on May 19, 1986 (for $50K or some similarly absurd amount of money), but a functionally identical and virtually indistinguishable M-16 manufactured on the very same assembly line by the very same workers at 12:01 A.M. on May 20, 1986 is prohibited to you - at any price. Where’s the sanity (or, for that matter, the legality) in THAT?


107 posted on 10/05/2017 2:42:58 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: DMZFrank

I agree with you about the odious Hughes amendment. One thing to keep in mind was that this was passed on a dubious voice vote. Yes, there is no record of which congresscritters voted to limit Constitutional rights of citizens. Charles Rangel was presiding and refused to allow a recorded vote, ignoring calls for a recorded vote. Just imagine the howls from the Abortocrats if a significant restriction were to be placed on abortion by Republicans without the nicety of a recorded vote.
So here we are, with transferable drop in auto sears selling for upwards of $15,000. Perhaps a dollars worth of steel and half an hour on the milling machine selling for as much as a low end new car.


137 posted on 10/06/2017 2:36:13 PM PDT by allblues (God is neither a Republican nor a Democrat but Satan is definitely a Democrat)
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