The linked discussion, circa 1990, between Buckley and Christopher Hitchens is much more interesting. Hefner was a slime ball who could imitate an educated and intelligent person, to a point. With Buckley you can see his brain seething trying to come up with anything. A 150 IQ versus 97 isn’t an interesting contest. But with Buckley and Hitchens you can see mutual respect and a conversation worth listening to. Sad they’re both gone.
Used to watch Firing Line when I was in middle school! At first it was because I loved his Boston accent. Later I listened, and he taught me well.
About 10 years ago I met his son. Similar voice. That was a treat.