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To: BeauBo

This is about Qatar building a gas pipeline so they can make money.

There is nothing noble being gained here by causing the deaths and displacement of millions of people because McCain and Obama have their love on for Qatar.


33 posted on 09/29/2017 1:36:49 PM PDT by MeganC (Democrat by birth, Republican by default, conservative by principle.)
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To: MeganC

“This is about Qatar building a gas pipeline so they can make money.”

That is a significant concern for Qatar, and they may be able to buy off some US and other country’s politicians for that purpose, but it is only one factor among many. Nothing is simple in the Middle East.

Qatar is the main funder of the Muslim Brotherhood, which puts most of its resources into ideological/religious and political efforts into areas outside of Qatar’s natural gas interests (notably Egypt, although you could argue that a lot of gas ships through the Suez Canal). Qatar also operates Al Jezeera news, the main media outlet that promotes Wahabbi/jihadi ideology on Earth. So it seems likely that the Qatari ruling family is also motivated by religion, or just extending their political influence, by its funding of jihadis as a surrogate Army, mercenaries, or a Foreign Legion (they have a tiny population of their own to project power).

They definitely do have a big financial interest in a pipeline to the huge European market, but they have other interests as well. The Qatari Royal Family has long chafed under the domination of the Saudi Royal Family, who always expect the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) countries to do whatever it says. The Qataris want more autonomy in their foreign policy, and buck the Saudis quite a bit, notably in their close relations with Iran, which is a pariah to the Saudis. Having other governments in the region who support Qatar over the Saudis, would greatly strengthen their hand against the Saudis within the GCC (especially the big Sunni military powers - Turkey an Egypt).

And that is just some of Qatar’s complex interests. Many countries are interested in Syria, and each has multiple interests. Many conflicts are being fought out there - Sunni/Shia, Iran/Turkey, Iran/Israel, Iran/Saudi, Ba’ath Party/Democracy, Ba’ath Party/Islamist Jihadis, US/Russia, US/Iran, US/Islamist Jihadis, Turkey/Kurds, Turkey/Anyone who is not an Islamist Jihadi, Turkey/Ba’ath Party, Russia/Turkey, and so on. Those are some of the external conflicts playing out there, but there are many internal religious, ethnic, ideological, and tribal conflicts underway as well.

That is just business as usual in the Middle East - many conflicting agendas, further complicated by shifting alliances (friends on one thing, enemies on another, shifting with the circumstances). What is not business as usual, is the scale of the change going on there. This is likely going to settle out with significant long term re-alignments. It is a critical time to be involved and shape the circumstances we will have to deal with for a long time after things settle out.

Letting the worst actors walk away with huge gains at this critical juncture would be irresponsible, and we would likely pay a much larger price in blood in the future if we did so.


35 posted on 09/29/2017 5:51:51 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: MeganC
It appears that the deal struck was between Russia, Turkey and Iran in drawing this war to a close......further ahead, and likely discussed at this recent meeting between Purin and Erdogan is who maintains the security and the details of the four quadrants they've divided it into from their previous meetings. ....I do not see the US has any role in that until those things have been determined....and tend to think the question of the Kurds is being considered by all in the process. Putin nor Erdogan would not have gone this far unless there was agreement from Trump to do whatever is necessary to bring this war to a close and sort out the particular's along the way.......that is what they are doing. Obvious the fighting is drawing down.......
39 posted on 09/29/2017 10:38:36 PM PDT by caww (freeen)
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