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BREAKING: 62 Scholars correct Pope Francis for "propagating heresies"
Lifesite news ^ | 9/23/17 | Pete Baklinski

Posted on 09/23/2017 4:03:36 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper

ROME, September 23, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – Expressing “profound grief” and “filial devotion,” Catholic clergy and lay scholars from around the world have issued what they are calling a “Filial Correction” to Pope Francis for “propagating heresy.”

The Filial Correction, in the form of a 25-page letter, bears the signatures of sixty-two Catholic academics, researchers, and scholars in various fields from twenty countries. They assert that Pope Francis has supported heretical positions about marriage, the moral life, and the Eucharist that are causing a host of “heresies and other errors” to spread throughout the Catholic Church.

The correction was delivered to the Pope at his Santa Marta residence on August 11, 2017. No similar action has taken place within the Catholic Church since the Middle Ages, when Pope John XXII was admonished for errors which he later recanted on his deathbed.

“With profound grief, but moved by fidelity to our Lord Jesus Christ, by love for the Church and for the papacy, and by filial devotion toward yourself, we are compelled to address a correction to Your Holiness on account of the propagation of heresies effected by the apostolic exhortation Amoris laetitia and by other words, deeds and omissions of Your Holiness,” the signers write in the letter.

“As subjects, we do not have the right to issue to Your Holiness that form of correction by which a superior coerces those subject to him with the threat or administration of punishment,” they state.

“We issue this correction, rather, to protect our fellow Catholics — and those outside the Church, from whom the key of knowledge must not be taken away — hoping to prevent the further spread of doctrines which tend of themselves to the profaning of all the sacraments and the subversion of the Law of God,” they add.

Advertisement  The signers respectfully insist that Pope Francis condemn the heresies that he has “directly or indirectly upheld,” and that he teach the truth of the Catholic faith in its integrity.

They say that they make “no judgment” about the Pope’s culpability in propagating the seven heresies they list. They add that it is not their task to “judge whether the sin of heresy has been committed” whereby a person “departs from the faith by doubting or denying some revealed truth with a full choice of the will.”

The letter was made public today, six weeks after the signers received no response from the Pope.

Duty to correct

The 62 clergy and lay scholars explain that, as believing and practicing Catholics, they have the right and duty to issue such a correction to the Pope “by natural law, by the law of Christ, and by the law of the Church” and that the correction in no way undermines Catholic teaching on papal infallibility.

The Catholic Church teaches that the Pope is infallible (incapable of error by a special gift of the Holy Spirit) when certain conditions are met. He teaches infallibly in his ordinary capacity when a doctrine is consistent, constant, and universal in relation to what the Church and other popes have always taught. Or in an extraordinary capacity, he teaches infallibly when he speaks “ex cathedra,” that is, when he speaks in the capacity of his office as Apostolic pastor and teacher for the purpose of defining a “doctrine of faith or morals to be held by the whole Church.” The Pope is not infallible in other matters, such as when he gives an off-the-cuff interview or presents his personal reflection on a given topic.

“We adhere wholeheartedly to the doctrine of papal infallibility,” the signers state, adding that in their opinion “neither Amoris Laetitia nor any of the statements which have served to propagate the heresies which this exhortation insinuates are protected by that divine guarantee of truth.” The signers’ opinion that the exhortation is not infallible magisterial teaching is backed by leading churchmen, such as Cardinal Raymond Burke.

The signers list a dozen passages from Amoris Laetitia that they say “serve to propagate seven heretical propositions.”

Included in the list is the “smoking” footnote 351 where the Pope writes that those living in an objective situation of sin can receive the “help of the sacraments” to grow in the life of grace and charity. Many have interpreted this to mean that civilly-divorced-and-remarried Catholics living in adultery can receive Holy Communion, and the Pope has endorsed guidelines allowing this. Also included in the list is the text pertaining to couples living in adultery who, the Pope writes, see their situation as “what God himself is asking” of them, despite falling short of the “objective ideal.”

The scholars say that these passages along with a number of “words, deeds and omissions” of the Pope are “serving to propagate heresies within the Church.”

According to the signers, the “words, deeds and omissions” of Pope Francis that promote heresy include:

Advertisement  Refusing to answer the dubia (five yes-or-no questions) submitted by the four cardinals (two of whom are now deceased) asking him to confirm that Amoris Laetitia does not abolish five teachings of the Catholic faith.

Forcibly intervening at the 2015 Synod of the Family where he insisted on inserting into a midterm report a proposal (that did not receive sufficient votes) to allow communion for adulterers and a proposal that pastors should emphasize the “positive aspects” of lifestyles the Church considers gravely sinful, including civil remarriage after divorce and premarital cohabitation.

Endorsing an interpretation of the exhortation by Vienna Cardinal Christoph Schönborn that allows for Holy Communion to be given to adulterers.

Affirming the statement of the bishops of the Buenos Aires region that allowed Communion to be given to adulterers, stating that “there are no other interpretations.”

Appointing to positions of influence within the Church men who publicly dissent from Catholic teaching on the sacraments, including Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia and Cardinal Kevin Farrell.

Allowing guidelines for the diocese of Rome to be issued under his authority that permit adulterers to receive communion under certain circumstances.

Leaving uncorrected the publication in L’Osservatore Romano, the official journal of the Holy See, the Maltese bishops’ interpretation of Amoris Laetitia that allows communion for adulterers.

Seven heresies

The Catholic clergy and lay scholars go on to list seven “false and heretical propositions” which they say Pope Francis “directly or indirectly” upholds through his “words, deeds, and omissions.” These seven propositions, listed below, are summaries of the positions which they attribute to Pope Francis and deem to be heretical.

A justified person has not the strength with God’s grace to carry out the objective demands of the divine law, as though any of the commandments of God are impossible for the justified; or as meaning that God’s grace, when it produces justification in an individual, does not invariably and of its nature produce conversion from all serious sin, or is not sufficient for conversion from all serious sin.

Christians who have obtained a civil divorce from the spouse to whom they are validly married and have contracted a civil marriage with some other person during the lifetime of their spouse, who live more uxorio [as husband and wife] with their civil partner, and who choose to remain in this state with full knowledge of the nature of their act and full consent of the will to that act, are not necessarily in a state of mortal sin, and can receive sanctifying grace and grow in charity.

Advertisement  A Christian believer can have full knowledge of a divine law and voluntarily choose to break it in a serious matter, but not be in a state of mortal sin as a result of this action.

A person is able, while he obeys a divine prohibition, to sin against God by that very act of obedience.

Conscience can truly and rightly judge that sexual acts between persons who have contracted a civil marriage with each other, although one or both of them is sacramentally married to another person, can sometimes be morally right or requested or even commanded by God.

Moral principles and moral truths contained in divine revelation and in the natural law do not include negative prohibitions that absolutely forbid particular kinds of action, inasmuch as these are always gravely unlawful on account of their object.

Our Lord Jesus Christ wills that the Church abandon her perennial discipline of refusing the Eucharist to the divorced and remarried and of refusing absolution to the divorced and remarried who do not express contrition for their state of life and a firm purpose of amendment with regard to it.

The clergy and scholars state that these “propositions all contradict truths that are divinely revealed, and that Catholics must believe with the assent of divine faith.”

They add that it is “necessary” that such heresies be “condemned by the authority of the Church,” on account of the “great and imminent danger” they cause to souls.

As one of the signers explained to LifeSiteNews, St. Thomas Aquinas taught that faithful Catholics have a duty to correct an erring prelate. He quoted the following passage from the saint’s famous theological work Summa Theologiae:

If the faith were endangered, a subject ought to rebuke his prelate even publicly. Hence Paul, who was Peter’s subject, rebuked him in public, on account of the imminent danger of scandal concerning the faith, and, as the gloss of Augustine says on Gal. 2:11, Peter gave an example to superiors, that if at any time they should happen to stray from the straight path, they should not disdain to be reproved by their subjects. The signers conclude the letter, writing: “At this critical hour, therefore, we turn to the cathedra veritatis [seat of truth], the Roman Church, which has by divine law pre-eminence over all the churches, and of which we are and intend always to remain loyal children, and we respectfully insist that Your Holiness publicly reject these propositions, thus accomplishing the mandate of our Lord Jesus Christ given to St Peter and through him to all his successors until the end of the world: ‘I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren.’"

Advertisement  One significant name in the list of signers is that of Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior general of the traditionalist Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX). He signed the letter after it had already been submitted to the Pope. It remains to be seen how Fellay’s agreement with the content of the filial correction will affect Pope Francis’ recent efforts to integrate the SSPX legally into the Catholic Church.

Signs of the times

The filial correction comes after more than a year of the Pope not dialoguing or engaging with faithful Catholics who have approached him directly with serious concerns about how he is steering the Barque of Peter, the Church. The Pope has been sent letters, petitions, video messages, and official questions (the dubia), but all to no avail. Significant dates of attempts to dialogue with the Pope include:

September 29, 2015 – 791,000 Catholics (including 8 cardinals, over 200 bishops, and numerous priests, religious, and lay faithful representing 62 pro-family organizations) petition Pope Francis to end the “widespread confusion arising from the possibility that a breach has been opened within the Church that would accept adultery... and would virtually even accept homosexual unions.”

July 13, 2016 – 16 international life-and-family advocates plead with the Pope to “unambiguously speak the truth of the Catholic faith, to end doctrinal confusion, to restore clarity, and to be the Holy Father that Catholics need.”

July 11, 2016 – 45 Catholic scholars submit a letter to the cardinals and Eastern patriarchs of the Church asking them to petition the Pope to “repudiate a list of erroneous propositions” that can be drawn from Amoris Laetitia.

September 19, 2016 – Four cardinals (two of whom are now deceased) submit to the Pope five yes-or-no questions (dubia) asking if the exhortation conforms to perennial Catholic teaching on the moral life. The questions were never answered.

January 18, 2017 – Three Eastern European bishops launch a “spiritual crusade” urging the Pope to “revoke in an unequivocal manner” pastoral guidelines stemming from Amoris Laetitia that allow adulterers to receive Holy Communion.

April 25, 2017 – The four dubia cardinals unsuccessfully ask the Pope for a private audience to discuss “confusion and disorientation” within the Church after the publication of Amoris Laetitia.

The filial correction of the Pope comes at a time when reports have emerged that suggest a "formal correction" of the Pope from cardinals may be imminent.

Cardinal Raymond Burke, one of the dubia Cardinals, outlined in August what such a correction would entail.

Advertisement  “It seems to me that the essence of the correction is quite simple,” Burke told The Wanderer. “On the one hand, one sets forth the clear teaching of the Church; on the other hand, what is actually being taught by the Roman Pontiff is stated. If there is a contradiction, the Roman Pontiff is called to conform his own teaching in obedience to Christ and the Magisterium of the Church,” he said.

“The question is asked, ‘How would this be done?’ It is done very simply by a formal declaration to which the Holy Father would be obliged to respond. Cardinals Brandmüller, Caffarra, Meisner, and I used an ancient institution in the Church of proposing dubia to the Pope,” the Cardinal continued.

“This was done in a very respectful way and not in any way to be aggressive, in order to give him the occasion to set forth the Church’s unchanging teaching. Pope Francis has chosen not to respond to the five dubia, so it is now necessary simply to state what the Church teaches about marriage, the family, acts that are intrinsically evil, and so forth. These are the points that are not clear in the current teachings of the Roman Pontiff; therefore, this situation must be corrected. The correction would then direct itself principally to those doctrinal points,” he added.

Cardinal Burke added in an interview this month that the forthcoming formal correction would “require” the Pope to teach what the Catholic Church has always taught about marriage, the Eucharist, and the impossibility of ever justifying intrinsically evil acts.

His Eminence stated in a September 21 interview with Australia’s Catholic Outlook that he and remaining dubia Cardinal Walter Brandmüller will “take forward the important work of resolving the dubia.”

“The urgency of a response to the dubia derives from the harm done to souls by the confusion and error, which result, as long as the fundamental questions raised are not answered in accord with the constant teaching and practice of the Church. The urgency weighs very heavily on my heart,” he said.

The Filial Correction and its signatories, along with a summary statement and press release, can be viewed at www.correctiofilialis.org.

Editor's note: Diane Montagna contributed to this report.

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Signatories of the Filial Correction

Note: The letter delivered to Pope Francis on August 11 contained 40 names. 22 more names have been added since that date.

Advertisement  Dr. Gerard J. M. van den Aardweg European editor, Empirical Journal of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior

Prof. Jean Barbey Historian and Jurist, former Professor at the University of Maine

Fr Claude Barthe Diocesan Priest

Philip M. Beattie BA (Leeds), MBA (Glasgow), MSc (Warwick), Dip.Stats (Dublin) Associate Lecturer, University of Malta (Malta)

Fr Jehan de Belleville Religious

Dr. Philip Blosser Professor of Philosophy, Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Archdiocese of Detroit

Fr Robert Brucciani District superior of the SSPX in Great Britain

Prof. Mario Caponnetto University Professor, Mar de la Plata (Argentina)

Mr Robert F. Cassidy STL

Fr Isio Cecchini Parish Priest in Tuscany

Advertisement  Salvatore J. Ciresi M.A. Director of the St. Jerome Biblical Guild, Lecturer at the Notre Dame Graduate School of Christendom College

Fr. Linus F Clovis Ph.D., JCL, M.Sc., STB, Dip. Ed Director of the Secretariat for Family and Life in the Archdiocese of Castries

Fr Paul Cocard Religious

Fr Thomas Crean OP STD

Prof. Matteo D'Amico Professor of History and Philosophy, Senior High School of Ancona

Dr. Chiara Dolce PhD Research doctor in Moral Philosophy at the University of Cagliari

Deacon Nick Donnelly MA

Petr Dvorak Head of Department for the Study of Ancient and Medieval Thought at the Institute of Philosophy, Czech Academy of Sciences, Prague Professor of philosophy at Saints Cyril and Methodius Theological Faculty, Palacky University, Olomouc, Czech Republic

H.E. Mgr Bernard Fellay Superior General of the SSPX

Christopher Ferrara Esq. Founding President of the American Catholic Lawyers’ Association

Advertisement  Prof. Michele Gaslin Professor of Public Law at the University of Udine

Prof. Corrado Gnerre Professor at the Istituto Superiore di Scienze Religiose of Benevento, Pontifical Theological University of Southern Italy

Dr. Ettore Gotti Tedeschi Former President of the Institute for Works of Religion (IOR), Professor of Ethics at the Catholic University of the Sacred Heart, Milan

Dr. Maria Guarini STB Pontificia Università Seraphicum, Rome; editor of the website Chiesa e postconcilio

Prof. Robert Hickson PhD Retired Professor of Literature and of Strategic-Cultural Studies

Fr John Hunwicke Former Senior Research Fellow, Pusey House, Oxford

Fr Jozef Hutta Diocesan Priest

Prof. Isebaert Lambert Full Professor at the Catholic University of Louvain, and at the Flemish Katholieke Universiteit Leuven

Dr. John Lamont STL DPhil (Oxon.)

Fr Serafino M. Lanzetta STD Lecturer in Dogmatic Theology, Theological Faculty of Lugano, Switzerland; Priest in charge of St Mary’s, Gosport, in the diocese of Portsmouth

Advertisement  Prof. Massimo de Leonardis Professor and Director of the Department of Political Sciences at the Catholic University of the Sacred Heart in Milan

Msgr. Prof. Antonio Livi Academic of the Holy See Dean emeritus of the Pontifical Lateran University Vice-rector of the church of Sant'Andrea del Vignola, Rome

Dr. Carlo Manetti Professor in Private Universities in Italy

Prof. Pietro De Marco Former Professor at the University of Florence

Prof. Roberto de Mattei Former Professor of the History of Christianity, European University of Rome Former Vice President of the National Research Council (CNR)

Fr Cor Mennen Lecturer in Canon Law at the Major Seminary of the Diocese of ‘s-Hertogenbosch (Netherlands) Canon of the cathedral chapter of the diocese of ‘s-Hertogenbosch

Prof. Stéphane Mercier Lecturer in Philosophy at the Catholic University of Louvain

Don Alfredo Morselli STL Parish priest of the archdiocese of Bologna

Martin Mosebach Writer and essayist

Dr. Claude E. Newbury M.B., B.Ch., D.T.M&H., D.O.H., M.F.G.P., D.C.H., D.P.H., D.A., M. Med; Former Director of Human Life International in Africa south of the Sahara Former Member of the Human Services Commission of the Catholic Bishops of South Africa

Advertisement  Prof. Lukas Novak Faculty of Arts and Philosophy, Charles University, Prague

Fr Guy Pagès Diocesan Priest

Prof. Paolo Pasqualucci Professor of Philosophy (retired), University of Perugia

Prof. Claudio Pierantoni Professor of Medieval Philosophy in the Philosophy Faculty of the University of Chile Former Professor of Church History and Patrology at the Faculty of Theology of the Pontificia Universidad Católica de Chile

Father Anthony Pillari J.C.L., M.C.L

Prof. Enrico Maria Radaelli Philosopher, editor of the works of Romano Amerio

Dr. John Rao Associate Professor of History, St. John’s University, NYC; Chairman, Roman Forum

Dr. Carlo Regazzoni Licentiate in Philosophy at University of Freiburg

Dr. Giuseppe Reguzzoni External Researcher at the Catholic University of Milan and former editorial assistant of Communio, International Catholic Review (Italian edition)

Prof. Arkadiusz Robaczewski Former Professor at the Catholic University of Lublin

Advertisement  Fr Settimio M. Sancioni STD Licence in Biblical Science

Prof. Andrea Sandri Research Associate, Catholic University of the Sacred Heart in Milan

Dr. Joseph Shaw Tutor in Moral philosophy, St Benet’s Hall, University of Oxford

Fr Paolo M. Siano HED (Historiae Ecclesiasticae Doctor)

Dr. Cristina Siccardi Historian of the Church

Dr Anna Silvas Adjunct research fellow, University of New England, NSW, Australia

Prof. Dr Thomas Stark Phil.-Theol. Hochschule Benedikt XVI, Heiligenkreuz

Rev. Glen Tattersall Parish Priest, Parish of Bl. John Henry Newman, archdiocese of Melbourne; Rector, St Aloysius’ Church

Prof. Giovanni Turco Associate Professor of Philosophy of Public Law at the University of Udine Member Correspondent of the Pontificia Accademia San Tommaso d'Aquino

Prof. Piero Vassallo Former editor of Cardinal Siri’s theological review Renovatio

Advertisement  Prof. Arnaldo Vidigal Xavier da Silveira Former Professor at the Pontifical University of São Paulo, Brazil


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To: caww

The Israelites would not leave Egypt until they had the bones of Joseph, and the Pharaoh endured all of the plagues except the last one until he released them.


141 posted on 09/30/2017 8:56:12 AM PDT by blackpacific
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To: caww

The Israelites would not leave Egypt until they had the bones of Joseph, and the Pharaoh endured all of the plagues except the last one until he released them.

Also, why is it that roughly 100 trillion single cell organisms do not consume the incorrupt body of St. Rita?


142 posted on 09/30/2017 8:58:07 AM PDT by blackpacific
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To: blackpacific

Not unusual to ‘transport’ dead bodies for burial in their homeland for obvious reasons....fact remains they buried the body.


143 posted on 09/30/2017 9:00:38 AM PDT by caww (freeen)
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To: blackpacific

Mummification embalming fluid that’s how..... bodies were often treated with preservatives as soon as the person died so that the body would be able to be kept for longer for public viewing before burial....Further there is any number of ‘ordinary people’ ,who were not religious,whose bodies were untouched by decay....Buddhist Monks and yogis have also escaped decay.

In China, mummies with European features up to ‘4000 years old’ were found in the Tarim Basin desert 30 years ago. They are so well preserved and preserved much better than many Catholic saints who are mere centuries old that they look as if they are recently dead... Their clothes were remarkably preserved as well. One mummy had an intact goose feather in her hat.

The best ever preserved corpse is that of ‘Xin Zhui’ which was found in China in 1971.... Her death is dated to 178–145 BC......bout 50 at death..... An autopsy found that she seemed to be only a short time dead. They found her organs were intact. Her blood was still red in her veins.
Nobody knows for sure what was responsible for such a remarkable preservation. Her airtight coffin is thought to have contributed to it. A liquid in the coffin in a shade of red may explain the mystery but nobody knows what it is. The bodies of her neighbours Sui Xiaoyuan and Ling Huiping are similarly well preserved.
Xin’s body is kept in the Hunan Provincial Museum. She proves that bodies can be inexplicably preserved without accounting for it with the supernatural.

Finally , there is no such thing as a saint’s corpse that remains the same way for decades, that keeps looking like it just died... ‘All’ of the bodies are unpleasant to look at in their natural state... ‘None’ of them are flexible.... if a corpse looks remarkably good through mummification or whatever this is not incorruption. ...

Mummification is just a form of decomposition or desiccation. The corpse is just decomposing well for its age!


144 posted on 09/30/2017 9:40:16 AM PDT by caww (freeen)
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So not a single Catholic incorruptible is a miracle of God? I mean you cannot have a single one, because then there could be others...

Do you believe in miracles of any type?


145 posted on 10/01/2017 10:30:56 PM PDT by blackpacific
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So no miracles, all incorruptibles can be explained by natural causes, such as mummification, great embalming fluids, etc...

There are two problems with your statements in this regard:

1. Mummification is the orderly dehydration of human tissue, think beef jerky. That would explain an incorruptible that was totally dehydrated. But there are many that are plump, full of fluid.

2. Okay, so maybe many were embalmed with really top notch preservatives. Yes, that could explain some phenomena, but many of the incorruptibles were never embalmed. Think Irish wake. The deceased is laid upon a bed of ice, the relatives gather
to drink and commemorate their loved one, then when the ice melts the deceased is put in a pine box and interred.

So, what is really at the heart of your world view is the absolute disbelief that God works signs for us through miracles. The fact that you disbelieve even the greatest of these, the incorruptibles, is a testament to your unfounded belief that all phenomena can be explained by natural causes, or maybe it is desired that God does not exist?

I will pray to St. Rita de Cassius for your conversion. That God With Us, Emmanuel, Who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, will show you the way home.


146 posted on 10/08/2017 4:30:26 PM PDT by blackpacific
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To: blackpacific

Pope Francis is a nutball. How did this happen?


147 posted on 10/08/2017 4:31:18 PM PDT by anton
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Was out of town a few days so will respond to your post now...

You stated.....”So, what is really at the heart of your world view is the absolute disbelief that God works signs for us through miracles. The fact that you disbelieve even the greatest of these, the incorruptibles, is a testament to your unfounded belief that all phenomena can be explained by natural causes”......

Not even close in your assumptions. But I will admit that most all of the declared miracles in many church institutions that dramatize these do so to keep the cash flows going into their coffers. So yes I want it proved as such....unfortunately that rarely happens.


148 posted on 10/09/2017 10:20:56 AM PDT by caww (freeen)
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To: blackpacific

Matthew 16:4
A wicked and adulterous generation demands ‘a sign’, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Then He left them and went away.

Mark 8:12
Jesus sighed deeply in His spirit and said, “Why does this generation demand a sign? Truly I tell you, no sign will be given to this generation.”

Luke 11:29
As the crowds were increasing, Jesus said, “This is a wicked generation. It demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.


149 posted on 10/09/2017 10:27:06 AM PDT by caww (freeen)
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To: caww

Argument by association. One of the weakest forms of argument.

When saints are buried, no one asks for them to be made incorruptible. They are found later, some times hundreds of years later. It is a sign, for us to study and imitate their life. But it is not a sign we asked for due to disbelief.

Your arguments that all incorruptibles can be explained by natural causes is what atheists use. Sorry if I assumed you were not a believer in Jesus Christ.


150 posted on 10/09/2017 11:11:21 AM PDT by blackpacific
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To: blackpacific

As is the general case there really is no way to convince someone who ‘wants to believe’ in untruths .....they can’t get beyond what they’ve been indoctrinated to believe.

Fro all I’ve seen and noted any religion can create relics and various other tricks of their trade to keep people engaged. There is a difference between ones faith in a person and that of objects and dead corpses...no matter what they look like.


151 posted on 10/10/2017 6:44:36 PM PDT by caww (freeen)
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To: caww

Paraphrasing G K Chesterton in his “Orthodoxy”, a maniac’s small vision of the world explains everything that is, but it is a much smaller world than the one we live in.

There are incorruptibles, and no matter how much you deny their existence, they still exist. But if your doctrinal formation is such that they cannot exist, then they must not exist...

I’ve only seen a few incorruptibles, St. Catherine Laboure and another nun from her community in Paris, and the burnt remains of St. Genevieve, the patron saint of Paris, an incorruptible that the French revolutionaries burned and threw in the river during the Reign of Terror. I would love to see more, but we have so few here in the United States.

This is a nice reference for believers in the miracles of incorruptibles and those who simply cannot believe:
https://www.amazon.com/Incorruptibles-Incorruption-Bodies-Various-Catholic/dp/0895550660

And here is a list of places that have fairly complete relic collections. What is missing from this list is the Benedictine Abbey in Still River, MA.

United States

Chicago, Illinois

Relic: Over 2000 relics, including some of all 12 Apostlesand 24 of the 33 Doctors of the Church
Where: St. John Cantius Parish,825 North Carpenter Street Chicago, Illinois 60622-5405, Phone:312-243-7373

St. Marys, Kansas

Relic: Practically every Saint who’s ever lived
Where: At St. Mary’s Academy,there’s a Relic Chapel that contains an incredible amount of first class relics (though no major tombs or shrines). The address is: St.Mary’s Academy & College, 200 E. Mission Street, St. Marys, KS66536

Louisville, Kentucky

Relic: St. Bonosa and St. Magnus
Where: At St. Martin of Toursparish church, 639 South Shelby Street, Louisville, Kentucky, 40202

Emmitsburg, Maryland

Relic: St. Elizabeth Ann Seton
Where: Seton Shrine Chapel,Emmitsburg, Frederick County, Maryland

Relic: St. Frances Cabrini
Where: St. Frances CabriniShrine, 701 Fort Washington Avenue, New York City, New York

Maria Stein, Ohio

Relic: Practically every Saint who’s ever lived
Where: Another Relic Chapel likethat of St. Mary’s Academy in Kansas (no major tombs or shrines) is the Maria Stein Center. The address is: 2291 St. Johns Road, Maria Stein,Ohio 45860, (419) 925-4532

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Relic: St. John Neumann
Where: National Shrine of SaintJohn Neumann, 1019 North Fifth Street, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19123

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

Relic: Practically every Saint who’s ever lived
Where: Another Relic Chapel —the largest in the United States — is St. Anthony’s Chapel in the MostHoly Name of Jesus parish. The address is: 1700 Harpster St.,Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (Troy Hill).


152 posted on 10/13/2017 4:29:24 PM PDT by blackpacific
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To: blackpacific

There are facts, and there are beliefs, and there are things some want so badly to believe that they become as facts to them....they will keep on believing, despite all the evidence that they are wrong.

Furthermore.... people convince themselves or remain convinced of what ‘they want’ to believe...seeking out agreeable information while they avoid, ignore, devalue, forget, or argue against information that contradicts their beliefs... doing all the mental gymnastics it takes to remain convinced that they’re right.

As has been said....”The real enemy of truth is not ignorance, doubt, or even disbelief,.It is false knowledge.”


153 posted on 10/13/2017 4:54:18 PM PDT by caww (freeen)
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To: caww

Just stick a mirror up when you read your last post .

Problem solved.


154 posted on 10/19/2017 8:56:31 PM PDT by blackpacific
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