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No deal was made last night on DACA
Twitter ^ | September 14, 2017 | Donald J. Trump

Posted on 09/14/2017 3:16:49 AM PDT by abb

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To: Moonman62
Soooo... how does an illegal alien even get into the military?

... I knew someone who was in the Marines when he was a Cuban citizen.

Cubans are subject to the wet foot, dry foot policy. Anyone caught at sea is deported. Any Cuban setting foot on US soil is automatically entitled to a green card (i.e. permanent residency). After five years of residency, he is eligible for citizenship, assuming he hasn't committed a felony. Misdemeanors like DUI's won't disqualify him from citizenship. Lastly, and directly relevant to your post, is the fact that green card holders of whatever citizenship are eligible to serve in the US military, for positions that do not require security clearance, e.g. non-SF and non-officer roles.

161 posted on 09/14/2017 11:50:52 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Future Snake Eater

“I got news, a wall is temporary, too. First rule of defensive obstacles is that they’re useless without overwatch. If this POTUS or future ones decide not to enforce real border security anymore (i.e. Border Patrol actually on the ground), then it’s just a thing to tunnel under or climb over or even knock down.”


Walls were constructed to reduce the number of personnel needed to keep people out. That’s why our homes have walls and aren’t just big canvas tents. Having a wall makes it more difficult for illegals to enter. At the very least, it creates bottlenecks. Whereas the border is now wide open.

In ancient times, the amount of money allocated for a standing army rose and fell, depending on the seasons, but a wall, once built, was there as a permanent barrier to adversaries looking to get at the riches within. It needed to be defended, but could be held at far less cost than open country. In the modern era, a defensive trench, like other fortifications, cannot prevent a superior enemy from advancing. But it can greatly raise to cost of that advance to that enemy.


162 posted on 09/14/2017 12:01:41 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: fivecatsandadog

“A country without borders is a country without laws.”

A country with Hillary, Lerner, and bankers not in jail is a country without laws.


163 posted on 09/14/2017 12:06:09 PM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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To: TheStickman

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/908343453620338688";

As Bill Clinton might say, it depends on the meaning of “ultimately”.

“We’re working on a plan — subject to getting massive border controls. We’re working on a plan for DACA. People want to see that happen. You have 800,000 young people, brought here, no fault of their own. So we’re working on a plan, we’ll see how it works out. We’re going to get massive border security as part of that. And I think something can happen, we’ll see what happens, but something will happen.”

“We want to get massive border security. And I think that both Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, I think they agree with it.”

“Mitch is on board, Paul Ryan’s on board. We all feel — look, 92% of the people agree on DACA — but what we want is very, very powerful border security, okay?”

“Very important is the wall. We have to be sure the wall isn’t obstructed because without the wall I wouldn’t do anything... It doesn’t have to be here but they can’t obstruct the wall if its in a budget or anything else.”

“We’re not looking at citizenship. We’re not looking at amnesty. We’re looking at allowing people to stay here... I just spoke with Paul Ryan, everybody’s on board.”

If “Mitch”, Ryan, Pelosi & Schumer are all “on board”, what could possibly go wrong?


164 posted on 09/14/2017 1:14:34 PM PDT by MyDogAteMyBallot
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To: Zhang Fei

Obstacles, in order to be effective, need overwatch. Otherwise they’re annoying speed bumps.

Imagine stringing concertina wire across a road. Triple-strand, reinforced with pickets—the works. Now, everyone pulls back due to...I don’t know, budget cuts. When the enemy infantry hits the wire obstacle, what happens? Nothing. They break out their wire cutting tools, reduce it and move on. It added a few minutes to their trip, but that’s it.

Now instead of pulling back, imagine placing an Infantry platoon with its machine gun teams and M203s and frags and whatever else in prepared positions overlooking the wire obstacle. What happens to the enemy infantry?

I agree that a wall can help canalize the illegals, but unless follow-on admins commit to the necessary personnel to man the thing, it’s not going to do a whole lot of good. A wall is certainly better than no wall, but too many keep talking like a wall is THE solution rather than a part of one.


165 posted on 09/14/2017 1:19:23 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Imagine stringing concertina wire across a road. Triple-strand, reinforced with pickets—the works. Now, everyone pulls back due to...I don’t know, budget cuts. When the enemy infantry hits the wire obstacle, what happens? Nothing. They break out their wire cutting tools, reduce it and move on. It added a few minutes to their trip, but that’s it.


Imagine a scenario where everyone pulls back and no concertina wire.


166 posted on 09/14/2017 1:50:26 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Imagine a scenario where everyone pulls back and no concertina wire.

Then the enemy still gets there only with slightly less annoyance.

167 posted on 09/14/2017 2:14:06 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Dog

After this DACA debacle with Chuck and Nancy, I hope the President reads his rally poem, “The Snake,”every morning with his breakfast to remind himself about the true nature of the snakes he has to deal with.

Then say a prayer before he heads for work.

I know I pray for him and his family daily.


168 posted on 09/15/2017 6:58:26 AM PDT by victim soul (victim soul)
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