[SoConPubbie]

This is secular leftists trying to do on mortal power what only the church can do.

Actually it is what the individual can do if they obey God's chosen method of redemption, otherwise, all that is truly left, is lifetime incarceration, repeat offenses, or this type of punishment.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Accept... Nobody can “obey” it. If “obeying” would work, the Cross would be pointless.

Modern Christianity has decayed into a “you first” game between mortals. That has no power.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Which is why I say the church. Now the name of the game is “us first.” The church in turn evangelizes and teaches with power.

Expecting atomized Christians to be the basis of the philosophy you inveigh is like restricting your concept of the ocean to ocean spray.