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This group's interesting not so much for the fact that they exist, but that they're so public about their thoughts.

About the CWII Ping List

The CWII Ping List is short for Civil War II. It is NOT a list of people advocating another Civil War in America. It is a list of people who are interested in the parallels between the Civil War (or War Between the States, if you prefer) and our current situation, or more generally are noting the references to a 'coming Civil War' that are made in the press.

Of course sometimes this is merely a figure of speech, such as "The Tea Parties are fighting a civil war for the heart of the GOP". This would not merit a CWII ping.

On the other hand someone saying something like "The events in California are reminiscent of what happened in Yugoslavia in the period proceeding the Civil War" would merit a ping.

FR rules do not permit advocating for the overthrow of the Republic, and I am not aware of anyone doing so on the list. Still many do see that as the political climate worsens we may be heading in a direction that makes such a conflict all but inevitable, particularly if other avenues for resolving our differences are taken away. Such as widespread vote fraud by leftists making elections meaningless, or a small cadre of judges over-ruling all attempts to end destructive policies over the clear will of the people.

The correct keyword tag for the Civil War II ping list is "CWII". Please Freep Mail me to get on the list

his group's interesting not so much for the fact that they exist, but that they're so public about their thoughts.

So too were the *Reds* of the pro-Socialist faction in Finland in 1918. Mainly creatures of the universities and trade unions of the cities, once they *Raised the Red lantern* [over the Helsinki Workers' Hall.] The bloodletting began: a dozen fatalities here, then an incident with 34. And a Civil War was on. The Reds lost, to the *White* Nationalists. In about 4 months, the Finns had killed off about 1% of their national population; here in the US, it took us four YEARS of civil warfare, 1860-1965, to knock off around 2% of our population.

But if Finland, only about one death in four could reasonably be described as a *combat casualty;* the majority were prisoners stood up against the nearest logpile or corner of a building and shot, or bayonetted by rookies learning the new skills of their reade. Others froze or starved to death in the limited prisoner holding facilitiesw, but it was cheaper and easier to just kill them, and in many cases, more humane.

One other note to recall: two decades later, Finland was invaded by the Soviet Army, anxious to expand its borders. There's a lesson or two there.