Posted on 08/22/2017 11:38:08 PM PDT by drop 50 and fire for effect
“The traffic would seem to demand it.”
When I entered each of those waters, the busiest in the world, the bridge crew was doubled and the CO was on the bridge.
And extra lookouts were posted fore, aft and amidships with headphones.
It was SOP. Dictated by Fleet command.
Not unusual historically. The military has a system of accountability. The buck stops with those who are responsible.
“But nobody in the entire military dares to mention radically lowered standards.”
That is the essential issue. Affirmative Action.
I am a Navy vet and I agree with you. One collision or grounding equals accident and/or poor command. Two might be a coincidence. Three, especially all in the same general geographic area, starts to be suspicious. Now that does not necessarily mean the cause is something nefarious. Could be massive systemic command and discipline/training failure. But you are right that there is cause for suspicion.
The full list of Navy commanding officers, executive officers and senior enlisted leaders who have been ousted from their posts in 2016, as announced or confirmed by Navy officials:
Commanding officer, senior official:
Capt. Dave Adams was fired in January for a loss of confidence after his submarine, guided-missile sub Georgia, Blue crew, struck a channel buoy and ran aground.
Cmdr. Mike Connor, CO of attack submarine Oklahoma City, was canned for deficiencies in his leadership.
Rear Adm. Rick Williams, the head of Carrier Strike Group 15, was fired for allegedly accessing pornography on his government computer.
Cmdr. Edward Byers, CO of attack submarine Dallas, was ousted for lackluster leadership.
Cmdr. Michael Atwell, CO of the littoral combat ship Fort Worth, was canned on deployment in March amid an investigation into an engineering mishap aboard his ship. He is the first LCS skipper to be fired.
Cmdr. Sean Rongers, CO of destroyer Bainbridge, was fired for allegedly allowing gambling and fireworks on his ship.
Capt. David Waterman, CO of Joint Enabling Capabilities Command’s Joint Public Affairs Support Element, was booted after a loss of confidence in his leadership.
Capt. David Glenister, CO of Fleet Activities Yokosuka, Japan, was removed for allegedly mishandling command investigations.
Cmdr. Eric Rasch, CO of Coastal Riverine Squadron 3, was removed from his job amid an investigation into the errors that led to U.S. sailors’ arrest by Iran in January.
Capt. Kenneth Brown, CO of Fleet Readiness Center West, was fired due to a loss of confidence in his ability to lead the Lemoore, Calif.-based maintenance center.
Capt. Howard Goldman, CO of the Naval Undersea Warfare Center in Newport, R.I., was shown the door after a Navy report found a hostile work environment at his command.
Rear Adm. Robert Gilbeau, special assistant to the chief of the Supply Corps, pleaded guilty in June to making a false official statement in connection to the federal investigation of port services firm Glenn Defense Marine Asia.
Capt. Kyle Moses, the commodore of Task Force 56, was fired from his post leading the Bahrain-based expeditionary command in the wake of an investigation that found errors that led to U.S. sailors’ capture by Iran in January.
Cmdr. Gregory Meyer, the former commodore of Coastal Riverine Squadron 3, was relieved of duties for errors that contributed to U.S. sailors’ capture by Iran in January.
Capt. Tony Simmons, the CO of Destroyer Squadron 2, was canned amid an investigation into personal misconduct.
Cmdr. John Neuhart, CO of Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 25, was fired from his post a week after being charged with attempting to rape a female officer in San Diego.
Cmdr. Michael Wohnhaas, CO of Crew 106 of littoral combat ship Freedom, was fired amid an investigation into engine damage.
Cmdr. Aaron Tabor, CO of Electronic Attack Squadron 138, was removed from his post after poor job performance.
Executive officer:
Cmdr. Brandon Murray, the former XO of destroyer Bainbridge who was selected to be its next CO, was fired along with the CO and CMC for allegedly allowing fireworks to be stowed on board.
Senior enlisted:
Master Chief Machinist’s Mate Ruben Aguirre, the chief of the boat of attack sub Columbia, was fired in March for a pattern of poor leadership.
Senior Chief Sonar Technician Dwight Newton, the chief of the boat of attack sub Albany, was fired in March after allegedly failing a drug test.
Command Master Chief Richard Holmes was removed as the top enlisted sailor on destroyer Bainbridge for allegedly allowing fireworks to be stowed on the ship.
Command Master Chief Moses Sampson, the top enlisted at Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 11, was fired for allegedly filing fraudulent travel claims.
Command Master Chief James Roberts was fired for allegedly fostering a toxic climate on the destroyer Laboon.
Command Master Chief Jermaine Rawls was fired from his post at Navy Operational Support Center San Antonio amid an investigation into off-duty misconduct.
I saw the former Skipper of the USS Cole on FNF this morning and he said the same thing. He held up a CD and said that's what new officers are given when assigned to their ship. That's their training.
When I see a Navy ship she usually has great streaks of rust running down her sides. This is not something I remember from times past. Environmentally friendly paint or poor maintenance or both? Ive been on ships for years, there is a constant battle against rust but when you see it coming through the scuppers the battle is being lost.
Could it be the Navy needs a lot less social crusading and high priced biofuel and a lot more paint, chipping, scraping, general maintenance and training?
GOOD GRIEF! All these speculative comments, faulting our Navy in one way or another. Didn’t anyone else even look at the video posted by missnry? There can be little doubt that the McCain was rammed by the freighter ALNIC MC, which veered sharply to the left out of its shipping lane. Was it intentional? The McCain had recently passed close by one of the infamous Chinese islands (12 miles) - much to the consternation of the Chinese.
NECAWA
“The Navy or rather The Pentagon and more specifically Congress has been playing a very dangerous game since the early 1990’s and beginning under Poppy Bush and continuing for every administration and congressional session since of sending ships unfit for getting underway to sea.”
To back up your position re Poppy Bush and how he ran our Navy into the ground. Our first “stoppage” happened during Bush I’s term. He and his CIA literally ran our Navy ships and men into this stoppage situation.
48-HOUR STOPPAGE PLANNED BY NAVY
By STEPHEN ENGELBERG, Special to The New York Times
Published: November 15, 1989
WASHINGTON, Nov. 14— After a succession of accidents around the world, the Navy announced today that it was suspending routine operations for 48 hours to review safety procedures with each sailor and aviator.
It was the first time the Navy has taken such a step, officials said, and it reflected the mounting concern over the deaths and injuries sustained by both Navy personnel and civilians in the accidents in the past three weeks.
Navy officials said that the suspension would only affect routine operations and training exercises and that essential military functions, like ship movements in the Persian Gulf and drug interdiction efforts, would not be stopped. All deployed ships, submarines and aircraft would still be available for emergency operations, the officials said. Two More Accidents.
The safety review was ordered early this morning before word was received about a fire today aboard the Inchon, an amphibious assault ship undergoing maintenance in Norfolk, Va. The blaze injured 31 sailors and 8 civilians. The Navy said one sailor was in guarded condition and another was in serious condition.
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/11/15/us/48-hour-stoppage-planned-by-navy.html?mcubz=0
Accident or hacking or whatever there should have been multiple alarms going off warning everyone on board to take evasive action.
The tracking software shows the ALNIC MC made a 90 degree turn to port directly toward the McCain. Such a turn by a large cargo/oil tanker is not immediate due to its size. Therefore, even in that situation a trained and competent OOD on the bridge of a very fast warship should be able take steps to avoid a collision. This leads me to believe that though the ALNIC may have been deliberately trying to cause a collision, properly trained bridge watchstanders would have been able to take measures to avoid it. If investigation shows that is the case, diversion of necessary seamanship training to PC gender and diversity training is the true reason for the collision.
I have no experience or inside info, I’ll just take a wild guess that the Chinese hacking exposed numerous backup protocols that weren’t being followed in these multiple accidents.
I am sure his pride is hurt....he probably is like WTF? I wasn’t even on the ships at all. As far as post career, it depends on how employees look at his involvement. I think most will say it is a political move.
I wonder if PACFLT was not happy with this Admiral even before these incidents. This could be an excuse to FINALLY get rid of him. Of course, I think it is a more cover your butt result.
Last two accidents were almost repeats. Multiple sailors killed.
I ran big construction both from the main office and in the field.
When people were seriously injured on a jobsite, I didn’t replace just the foreman in charge of the crew. The leadership was removed or fired.
This is no different.
Trannies at the helm obviously would clear up all the confusion on which way to yank the tiller
The USS Guam LPH9 (now a corral reef) lost men aboard a launch on a med cruise.
“I don’t know. Something does not make sense here is what I am saying.”
Concur.
‘On three ships and all of a sudden? I am betting this was cyber hacking terrorism.’
I’m curious as to how the eyes of the lookouts were hacked. Are we using cyborgs?
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