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Rand Paul Opposes Troop Surge: ‘Mission in Afghanistan Has Lost Its Purpose
Breitbart ^ | August 21, 2017 | Ben Kew

Posted on 08/22/2017 7:21:28 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

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To: grania

I agree. If they bring peace to Iraq, so be it. SA has spread death and destruction to our shores and beyond; vastly more than the Iranians.


41 posted on 08/22/2017 9:02:59 AM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Chainmail

No you need to understand that the Taliban are the indigenous people of Afghanistan. They don’t come from Libya or Somalia or Saudi Arabia. If you kill 1000 of them another 1000 just get recruited. So when the Afghan military kills Taliban they are killing Afghanis. Their heart just isn’t in it.

The President of Afghanistan controls Kabul and Jalalabad. The war lords control the hinterlands. Its a big patchwork. There are basically three job paths in the country at present. Grow opium, join the military or join the Taliban.

We are not going to wipe out the Taliban and we are not going to change Afghanistan.

We need to leave.


42 posted on 08/22/2017 9:11:46 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2; Lorianne

I see: so our two lady respondents think that all Aghanis are Taliban (and my extension, all Afghan women don’t want to go to school and prefer full-length burkas.

Yeah, OK, sure.

But I reiterate - when the Taliban were in control, they provided the training grounds and staging bases for al Qaeda. You two all ready for that bunch to resume operations?


43 posted on 08/22/2017 9:38:29 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

That’s absurd. No one wants women to suffer.
But this is THEIR COUNTRY.

That was a joke when Bush said we were staying to help the women. They are not helped and it is the same as it ever was.

The Taliban ARE NOW in control ... of about 2/3 of the country. Not past tense, are now. That’s because they are the local leaders in a very undeveloped mostly rural country outside of Kabul. They are the people who live there. They are the leaders that emerge from any place that has people living in a place ... the people who come forward and lead or get in control.

Honestly, read something about the country. I is not really a nation in the sense that we think of nation. It is a collection of fiefdoms run by local ‘warlords’ or just local headmen. That’s because they live there, have lived there for centuries and have their own culture, history, ancestry (that they keep careful track of) etc.

None of the culture and internal leadership organization of Afghanistan relates to us in any way whatsoever. We went in and tried to put people in local power who were alien to the areas ... it didn’t work.

Enough already.


44 posted on 08/22/2017 9:52:17 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Georgia Girl 2

So - exactly when did the French “attenpt to sujegate Afghanistan”?

I suspect that you meant the British - but maybe not.

Need to study your history a bit more...


45 posted on 08/22/2017 9:56:58 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Lorianne

Sorry - your knowledge of military affairs or geopolitics - or lack of it - isn’t impressive. Need to return to what you know.


46 posted on 08/22/2017 10:00:21 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

No Blood for Opium.


47 posted on 08/22/2017 10:01:52 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Did Rand ask his BFF Kamala Harris what she thinks?


48 posted on 08/22/2017 10:14:07 AM PDT by montag813 (ue)
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To: dfwgator
"No blood for opium"

Well, that was stupid. We a closet Leftie, Bud?

49 posted on 08/22/2017 10:16:33 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Cold Heart
I heard a retired general tell us why on Varney this morning. Afghanistan is now a forward military base for that whole region. Centered between Iran Pakistan India China Russia. We are also allying with India as part of the plan. No nation building, just prevent the exportation of jihad from Afghanistan and project regional power. We will be there pretty much forever, as in Germany Japan and Korea according to the general (Ret).

A winning strategy if American lives and American money grew on trees. These empire builders seem to forget that there is a future to safeguard and conserve.

50 posted on 08/22/2017 10:31:58 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Chainmail

Appeal to authority on anonymous posting ... fail.


51 posted on 08/22/2017 10:43:28 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
"Appeal to authority on anonymous posting ... fail."

Translate to English, please.

52 posted on 08/22/2017 11:12:21 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
"A winning strategy if American lives and American money grew on trees. These empire builders seem to forget that there is a future to safeguard and conserve."

Guess Billy Clinton was in complete agreement with you: he was fine with ignoring Osama and his training bases and his supporting Taliban buddies and saving the money. Worked out great, didn't it?

Bet ya aren't really a Colonel - or even a corporal, are ya?

53 posted on 08/22/2017 11:16:23 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

OK. Try to lose the emotional hysterics. First Afghan women rank one step lower than dogs on the power dynamic. It doesn’t matter what they want or don’t want. They sit in a corner and STFU.

All Afghanis are not Taliban but Taliban are Afghanis. They are all freaking related through the tribes. Its not America or Europe. They are a bunch of 7th century barbarians. They like it that way. We will never change things ever!

The only thing that will get rid of the Taliban is if the Afghanis decide to get rid of them.


54 posted on 08/22/2017 11:38:38 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Thank you.
Very well said.


55 posted on 08/22/2017 12:59:13 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: OldGoatCPO

We don’t have any friends in Afghanistan. US soldiers are being killed by the Afghan army, the ones they are supposed to be training.
There is no nation to build.
We can never pacify Afghanistan.


56 posted on 08/22/2017 7:19:43 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Georgia Girl 2; Chainmail

Alexander The Great could not subjugate Afghanistan. The French could not do it, the Russians who were vicious could not do it and we won’t do it. Its a losing proposition.

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What she said.


57 posted on 08/22/2017 7:24:30 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Another illiterate who thinks that the French invaded Afghanistan. Need to re-take 5th grade history, Bub.


58 posted on 08/22/2017 7:30:32 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Lorianne

Only you would think so.


59 posted on 08/22/2017 7:31:53 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

These empire builders seem to forget that there is a future to safeguard and conserve.
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Kind of silly to send your military half way around the world when your country is being invaded by unknown persons daily.
If we keep importing the poison of Islam, these foreign adventures will only serve to bankrupt us further and won’t matter.


60 posted on 08/22/2017 7:32:32 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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