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To: Olog-hai

I don’t believe this, or for that matter most studies that ask for opinions on economic matters. Most people here and in Germany couldn’t give you a good description of the difference between capitalism, socialism or communism. I have spent 50 years working with and for Germans. I lived there and have had many discussions on their system and ours. Theirs is more socialistic than ours, but that is because they started many of the welfare programs that exist. They have a history of living regulated lives going back to the middle ages. They accept that as a fact of life.

However when presented with entrepreneurial opportunity they jump at it. And they are good business people. I say individual capitalism is alive and well there.

Capitalism that is administered by the state is just as bad as any other state run system. Look at China.


19 posted on 08/15/2017 2:30:08 PM PDT by JeanLM (Obama proves melanin is just enough to win elections)
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To: JeanLM
Theirs is more socialistic than ours, but that is because they started many of the welfare programs that exist. They have a history of living regulated lives going back to the middle ages. They accept that as a fact of life.

However when presented with entrepreneurial opportunity they jump at it.

Sort of like our "blue states"? Wall Street, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, etc.

23 posted on 08/15/2017 3:05:36 PM PDT by x
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To: JeanLM
State capitalism is a Marxist principle, believe it or not. Even Lenin was inspired to create his New Economic Policy after careful consideration, and most likely going over Marx’s Principles of Communism, which mentions the following:
Above all, it (the revolution) will establish a democratic constitution, and through this, the direct or indirect dominance of the proletariat. Direct in England, where the proletarians are already a majority of the people. Indirect in France and Germany, where the majority of the people consists not only of proletarians, but also of small peasants and petty bourgeois who are in the process of falling into the proletariat, who are more and more dependent in all their political interests on the proletariat, and who must, therefore, soon adapt to the demands of the proletariat. Perhaps this will cost a second struggle, but the outcome can only be the victory of the proletariat.

Democracy would be wholly valueless to the proletariat if it were not immediately used as a means for putting through measures directed against private property and ensuring the livelihood of the proletariat. …
Bismarck had already created the first form of “state socialism” too, so Lenin was most likely looking towards that model, and setting up what he saw as the future “second struggle”.
27 posted on 08/15/2017 4:06:15 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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