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To: SaveFerris; rx

It is about the engine mounts. Look at post 203.

I contend that the engine mount has a center stub which is squared off and has two diagonal arms welded to it. rx contends the center stub was saw cut while under water by frogmen.

I accept the word of the salvage crew and the NTSB that the plane was torn part by heave swells and rolling on the rock bottom.


217 posted on 08/17/2017 4:41:32 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan; rx

Well, some of it does look kinda sawn off. Some damaged.

Nevertheless, I DO say that Fuddy’s death was pretty convenient and potentially tied up a loose end.

Though she was obviously beholden to her weirdo Indonesian religion dude, who looked strikingly like Obama; from the front anyways.

But then, there have been many convenient deaths surrounding Obama and the Clintons. I doubt they were all coincidence.

But hey, that’s just me.


219 posted on 08/17/2017 5:20:30 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ....)
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To: 4Zoltan
center stub was saw cut while under water by frogmen

Please don't presume to put words in my mouth that I didn't say.

4Zoltan, you twice used examples from different accidents and made presumptions that attempted to suggest your derivations told us things that were entirely incorrect things concerning the Fuddy Crash. Don't bother using Cessna 208 pictures to try to prove a point about the 208B, especially when the NTSB and media Fuddy Crash pictures are already quite clear.

So here's the nickel tour for any late-comers (BTW, if you would like to read some of the mortar between these bricks that follow, I would direct you to my post #130 of this thread, particularly as it relates to Fuddy's work on a BHO LFBC.)

There are copious pictures of the activity at the plane while no one was supposedly around, yet we see an SDV to which the USCG referred as "a rescue boat" (subimages added) In the official narrative there were not purported to be any boats at the scene before all actors plane occupants had exited the water.
We later see a diver transport momentarily appearing at the plane after all the occupants had swum about 85 yards southwest of it,

and a different man-made inflatable at the engine, and a sequence of pictures that show, as they worked on the plane, the plane steadily rose out of the water.

We have diver equipment being placed on the wing that could not have been part of a chance accident's placement.

We see sophisticated electronics in the water

and on the passengers' persons

We have a Fuddy whom the NTSB said was in an infant life jacket with one CO2 unexpended beside the plane when she was actually wearing an adult life jacket with both CO2 cartridges expended. If she later really had on a life jacket the NTSB described, it would have been entirely appropriate for someone to recognize the possibly murderous implications of her life jacket being switched. (We do know, however, that what the NTSB had written in their report was false.) We know that not only did no police or FBI conduct any murder investigation, neither of those groups did any investigation whatsoever, beyond letting three passengers make statements. Neither the police nor FBI asked the passengers any questions. (Those would have merely been responsive to our FOIA and UIPA requests.)

The representation to the media was that the plane ditched a mile from shore, when only a false picture claiming to be the "aerial view of crash site" was used to depict that.

The picture used was actually a picture of a USCG Dolpin rescue helicopter that had just hoisted what was claimed to be Fuddy back to the Kalaupapa airport. That crew declared Fuddy's condition to be "critical" even though forty minutes earlier she had been left in the water as "obviously dead" according to the USCG swimmer's protocol. So somehow the USCG rescue was perhaps memorializing how they brought Fuddy back from the dead in that picture.

We have an NTSB that also said "the airplane landed within open ocean water" when it actually landing (at the arrow tip) an 1/8th of a mile from shore near to where the water was only 1 meter deep. The plane was actually only 13.5 plane-lengths from shore.

The NTSB said the pilot landed the plane, "in a flat or slightly nose up attitude" when it actually landed nose low and in a 20-degree left bank. (Shown below is the last video prior to ditching and all manner of mayhem breaking loose.)

The NTSB did not bother using any ink to represent that the pilot changed his story about the altitude at which he said a "bang" and "catastrophic engine failure" occurred. The pilot had told the FAA that that event occurred "at 300' as he was rounding the turn for Honolulu, while he later said it was "500' AGL" (even though he was not over land when it happnened). (Picture shows a time still 25 seconds prior to the end of the take-off video (prior to a claimed bang.)

Two of the passengers each independently with identical wording made representations that the plane was at 1000-1500'. The video coincidently shows the passengers' representations was correct and the pilot's was false. To be been at either 300' or 500' AGL rounding the turn for Honolulu would require starting a turn immediately upon rotation (as he lifted the plane off the ground), which is a particularly unsafe maneuver that would be considered "reckless and dangerous" pilot of a commercial commuter airline. Somehow, the pilot avoided any certificate action based on that action, which, according to the official narrative, resulted in someone's death. Such a thing does not normally happen.

The NTSB made not only misconstrued the evidence, but also ignored the evidence, were in possession of evidence that contradicted what their report said, they also came to provably false conclusions, and perhaps worst of all, they falsified the evidence in multiple ways.

After that, there's no way in the world the NTSB's representations about this event can be trusted in any way without factual verification.

Ultimately, we know that Fuddy was extracted from the scenario and replaced by one of the divers, who was tall and spindly (compared to Fuddy's 5'2", 200-pound frame.

The shoes and other features of the two were noticeably different.

Thus, in the replacement, one can see the motive for all the other strange features of what the various players did regarding this hoax.

229 posted on 08/17/2017 6:36:13 PM PDT by rx (Truth Will Out!)
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