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APC WEAPONS UPGRADE ADVANCES URBAN WARFARE (Israel)
The Jerusalem Post ^ | AUGUST 1, 2017 | NNA AHRONHEIM

Posted on 08/02/2017 3:32:56 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Ministry of Defense shows off new APC turret.. (photo credit:DEFENSE MINISTRY)

The Defense Ministry has started testing an upgraded version of its Namer heavy armored personnel carrier, fitted for the first time with a 30mm turret to make it better suited for urban combat.

“An APC equipped with a turret and cannon gives it an advantage during urban warfare,” stated Brig.-Gen.

Baruch Matzliach, head of the Tank Program Administration. “The shortened cannon makes it more maneuverable, and [gives] the ability to provide firepower to infantry soldiers.

It also lets infantry soldiers be more independent on the battlefield, with less dependence on other units to provide firepower.”

The Namer is currently the IDF’s most fortified APC outfitted with the Trophy anti-tank missile protection system, which is also installed on the Merkava tank. The IDF has invested significant amounts of money into upgrading its capabilities in the three years since Operation Protective Edge in 2014, especially in the field of urban combat.

“The turret is unmanned and does not penetrate the combat cell, so that the ability to carry the soldiers is not harmed. Its operation is expected to be simple and will be performed by the APC’s crew. The turret will also incorporate an active defense system and additional systems that will greatly contribute to its capabilities,” Matzliach said.

The turret will also be installed on the IDF’s new wheeled APC, the Eitan.

Considered more maneuverable than other APCs, the Eitan is scheduled to begin use with infantry battalions in the coming year.

The Eitan can carry 12 soldiers – including a commander, gunner and driver – and has touch-screen systems that offer a 360-degree view of the battlefield.

While less fortified than the Namer, the Eitan will be equipped with the Trophy active protection system, along with hi-tech armor to protect against rocket-propelled grenades and anti-tank missiles. It will also come equipped with a .50 caliber heavy machine gun; a 30mm cannon with a range of 2,500 meters; and a missile launcher that can be operated without the crews leaving the vehicle and exposing themselves to the enemy.

“We are taking the APC to a whole new level, turning the Namer into an infantry fighting vehicle, which will allow crew to use it not only an armored vehicle which wheels them from place to place,” Matzliach said at the Second International Ground Warfare and Logistics Conference at Latrun outside of Jerusalem in May.

The tests are being carried out by the Tank Program Administration of the Defense Ministry together with IDF Ground Forces.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: apc; armor; israel; namer
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1 posted on 08/02/2017 3:32:56 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’ve read at least two books by James Wesley Rawles, and the characters always have access to thermite grenades or have some demolitions expert in their midst who can concoct some way to disable APCs or tanks, but how would regular urbanites or suburbanites stop this thing? Maybe pipe some sort of gas into the viewing slots?


2 posted on 08/02/2017 3:46:10 AM PDT by KingLudd
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To: KingLudd
well, for starters...

3 posted on 08/02/2017 4:08:36 AM PDT by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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To: Chode

Might you be aware of the aftermath of that Molotov attack? Thanks


4 posted on 08/02/2017 4:34:17 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

A 30mm cannon is pretty heavy firepower. I wonder where the round for this fits on the spectrum of the 30mm the Apache fires, versus the 30mm the A-10 fires. Given the short barrel I’m guessing it’s much closer to the Apache version.

The new Stryker 30mm upgrade fires the A-10 round, which should give it a pretty amazing anti-armor punch. Like the vehicles featured in the article, its turret is unmanned and remotely operated. The Stryker turret can also accommodate other weapons like the 40mm grenade launcher.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2016/10/28/army-receives-first-stryker-upgraded-with-30mm-cannon/


5 posted on 08/02/2017 4:35:25 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Make America Greater Than Ever!)
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To: spetznaz

nope... i believe it was in the Ukraine but i might have been Crimea


6 posted on 08/02/2017 4:42:16 AM PDT by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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To: spetznaz
Might you be aware of the aftermath of that Molotov attack? Thanks

The Palestinians appear to have no shortage of people willing to conduct suicide attacks.

7 posted on 08/02/2017 4:42:39 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: PreciousLiberty
It uses the Kongsberg MCT-30mm Weapon System, which uses the Bushmaster II chain gun, which uses the A-10 type 30-mm ammo. So that's a pretty heavy punch (although nowhere near the A-10 rate of fire)
8 posted on 08/02/2017 4:50:29 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

That was for the Stryker, don’t know about the Israeli 30mm


9 posted on 08/02/2017 4:51:37 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: Chode

Where is that film from please?
Thanks.


10 posted on 08/02/2017 5:13:56 AM PDT by skepsel (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: KingLudd

Fire.

You kill it with fire.

Specifically, homemade napalm. It is super easy to make.

Forget about the Styrofoam recipe. There is an even simpler method.

All you gotta do is make it sticky.


11 posted on 08/02/2017 5:18:40 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Trump's election does not release you from your prepping responsibilites!)
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To: skepsel

That film is from Ukraine.

Soros was involved somehow.


12 posted on 08/02/2017 5:20:15 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Trump's election does not release you from your prepping responsibilites!)
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To: T-Bone Texan

Fire.

yep....AND ammonia/bleach mix works in enclosed spaces too.

13 posted on 08/02/2017 5:23:30 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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To: T-Bone Texan

Like this? http://madogre.com/OldMadOgre/Interviews/myths_molotovs.htm


14 posted on 08/02/2017 7:14:32 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Ancesthntr

Thank you for that informative and entertaining link.

I have studied asymmetrical warfare for over a decade. I think it is important to know this stuff.


15 posted on 08/02/2017 7:25:39 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Trump's election does not release you from your prepping responsibilites!)
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To: Ancesthntr
From your link:

"...The most effective bottle types are surprising because of the unlikely source… but an obvious choice. The bottles are for a flavored imported mineral water typically consumed by assholes...."

Evian? Perrier?

16 posted on 08/02/2017 7:27:20 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Trump's election does not release you from your prepping responsibilites!)
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To: T-Bone Texan

I think that he was referring to Perrier, but obviously he didn’t want to incur the wrath of a large company.

The basic idea is a thin-walled glass bottle, one that will break with very great reliability (99%+) when thrown. Brand really isn’t important. Note that this article is fairly old but, of course, the laws of chemistry haven’t changed in the interim.


17 posted on 08/02/2017 7:53:02 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: T-Bone Texan

“I have studied asymmetrical warfare for over a decade. I think it is important to know this stuff.”


I agree, which is why I know about the link. What the Ukrainians did to that Russian tank in the video shown in this thread is a perfect example of how to combat an armored vehicle that otherwise would be practically invulnerable to civilians or lightly-armed paramilitary. Just get 20 of your closest friends, coordinate them somewhat, and your opponent can remove one vehicle from their inventory (and the crew).

FYI, speaking of asymmetrical warfare, one of my favorite stories from WW2 was about an interview with Marshal Tito (then not yet a Marshal, but the leader of the largest Yugoslav partisan outfit) shortly after the German invasion. The interviewer asked him how his men, armed only with old rifles, would be able to successfully take on the Germans, armed with their new Panzers. Tito’s response was really enlightening: “When the Germans get out of their new Panzers to take a piss, my men will shoot them with their old rifles.” Brilliant on both a tactical and strategic level - and funny, to boot (showing the man’s obvious intelligence).


18 posted on 08/02/2017 7:59:08 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: T-Bone Texan

From near the end of the article:

“With this mixture of Qua… of Oatmeal, Hi Octane gasoline, and a thin French bottles… we were able to score impressive and effective blasts that would make any Revolutionary get all misty eyed.”

Perrier it is. Note that I’m not sure if they still use glass bottles. I think that Fiji does...but, again, thin and reasonably small appears to be the best for throwing “heroic freedom fighter distances.”


19 posted on 08/02/2017 8:08:01 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: T-Bone Texan

You’d have to set it as a trap, but a buried 10” pipe rigged as a vertical cannon using a ground down chunk of railroad track as a penetrator might do the job.


20 posted on 08/02/2017 8:24:20 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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