Posted on 07/31/2017 7:25:45 PM PDT by T Ruth
MS is a right to work/open shop state. If the workers here wish to form a union, good for them.
However, with MS being a right to work state, workers there who voted against the union can’t be forced to either join the union or pay union dues to keep their jobs! They also can’t force new employees to either join the union or pay dues as a condition of employment!
>> All they would need to do is get a blue vs. red election map. Stay out of the blue areas and you should be fine <<
Yep, and you can bet that this kind of long-range thinking is already going on not only by auto manufacturers but also by the planning departments of other large manufacturing entities. The Upper South and the Mountain South will do OK, since the workers there are mainly independent-minded whites who aren’t likely to fall for the unions’ pie-in-the-sky promises. But if you live in the old cotton belt, the prospects for big new factories will probably not be good if Nissan gets UAW-ed at Canton.
(That is, unless maybe the cotton belt sees additional insane cases like Mississippi’s infamous Yalobusha beef plant, Terry McAuliffies car factory, the Kior fraud and the Kemper fiasco, where the state government has stupidly given multi-million-dollar subsidies to “green elephant” failures.)
“However, with MS being a right to work state, workers there who voted against the union can’t be forced to either join the union or pay union dues to keep their jobs! They also can’t force new employees to either join the union or pay dues as a condition of employment!”
Well yes and no. Buddy of mine retired from American Airlines in Texas, a right to work state. I asked him the same question and his reply was something to the effect of “no you don’t have to join the union but you likely will come out to the parking lot and find your car has no windows left in it and the tires slashed.”
Much like paying “protection money” to the mob.
And yet Honda, Toyota, and VW have all managed to avoid screwing their workers. Wages are fair. Benefits aren't being cut. Workers are getting bonuses that put the U.S. Big Three bonuses to shame. They don't outsource their workers. And the UAW doesn't have a chance at any of them. You don't see a connection?
Work at Nissan is optional. Others would gladly take their place.
And with an attitude like that people wonder why the Nissan workers would ever want to unionize?
Good point! Depends on if the workers to vote to unionize and if so how big the vote was. If the unionize vote barely passed then those who voted against the union probably don’t have to fear retribution or feel forced to join since their number is large!
If the vote to unionize overwhelmingly passed then those that oppose the union would be wise to tread carefully or even look to work elsewhere! Like you said they can’t lock you out for not being in the union doesn’t protect you from union thuggery either!
I am in manufacturing facilities — industrial, food processing, automotive, shipbuilding, etc. — throughout the southeast most every week. I was in a plant in south Georgia last week that had almost 1000 employees. Everyone of them would run to Canton, MS if they could take just one of those jobs. And my guess is that most everyone of them were just as skilled.
You ever go into poultry plants? How about seafood processing plants? They use manual labor. Should they all unionize? How about non-union shipbuilders? USA shipbuilders are getting their azzes kicked right now. My guess is that 90% plus at the Hyundai or Kia employees would prefer the Canton, MS package over what they’re offered. Why do they deserve more at Nissan?
I go into union facilities all the time. They are by far the least productive. Some making $70 hour package and not being as productive as their non-union counterparts.
The argument is similar to the $15 per hour minimum pay. Should they all be paid a minimum of $15? I don’t think so.
So your management theory is crap all over your people all you want because they can be replaced at the drop of a hat. Correct me if I'm wrong but it's that kind of management policy that led to unionization in the first place?
I don’t understand your management theory. Why should all these other manufacturing facilities not be given the same? Why do you favor workers in Canton, MS over those in south Georgia, the Hyundai plant, Kia, poultry processing plants, etc.?
You say Nissan should be on par with Honda, Toyota, and VW. Is your management theory to crap all over other hard working people that aren’t in unionized facilities? Do you support unionization at Hyundai, Kia, shipbuilders, poultry processing, boat builders, etc.? I can assure you these people work just as hard and often in deplorable conditions. To be fair to them, you would have to support they all be unionized too.
I wish everyone could work in good conditions and be paid a fair and equitable compensation package but it’s not how it is.
What I'm saying is that all the auto companies, and poultry companies and whatever, can do what they like. But if they crap all over their workers then don't be surprised if those workers look for a way of protecting themselves.
Years ago Bob Lutz the former CEO of GM said something akin to he was running an Employee Benefits Company that just happened to build Cars.
From a guy that made $9 million in in 2007, plus multi-million dollar guaranteed bonuses and options. What a two-faced schmuck.
And there's the real problem. Unions are government sanctioned criminal organizations, carrying out extortion by threat of deadly force.
You understanding of our economic system is very deficient. Those good paying jobs you bemoan are what creates much of the economy...or once did.
I will never understand this opposition to middle class earning a decent middle class wage - that allows them to buy a boat, a camper, dirt bikes and take a weekend or week off.
...and not a single word of protest over people earning $9,000 an hour at the same company. Infuriating BS to me.
So you're against capitalism? Somebody oughtta make a law to cap what a company can willfully pay their CEO? And I s'pose you know who should be making the big decisions about who-gets-paid-what and what they should be making? Are you serious? Are you Antifa? OWS? Garden variety democrat troll? I personally don't think some CEO's are worth their pay. But hey, somebody or some group of people do. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
I'm not bemoaning the good paying jobs. The union didn't create the jobs. They just fleece the employees and the employer. Since you opine on what I don't know I'll return the favor. You don't know when someone is pissing down your back and telling you it's raining.
Us po' folk down here in the South buy those mentioned luxuries just fine without unions. Don't like the conditions, wages or benefits? Work somewhere else. Educate yourself. Start your own business. No one is forced to work anywhere. Anyone willing to work can have a decent life. Grifting unions create false economies at inflated levels with unsustainable benefits packages. The cost of which is universally spread throughout the country, thankyaverymuch. And after that they're firmly in the democrat camp. Northerners flock down here after they retire (that and blood thinners) cause they can afford so much more than they could up north in the inflated local market. Problem being they bring their northern attitudes and voting habits with them as a general rule.
But we do manage to "re-train" a few. d;^)
That statement is so ridiculous I did not even read beyond that point in your post.
Actually I did and confirmed what I suspected.
Being purely objective and not at all trying to be insulting, having an intelligent conversation with you is obviously not possible.
I think you've gotten lost on your way to DU. Adios, troll.
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