Posted on 07/31/2017 2:39:22 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
The people behind California’s latest effort to leave the United States are confident this time and are preparing to fan out across the Golden State to collect signatures for a 2018 ballot initiative
It would repeal a provision of the California Constitution stating that the state is “an inseparable part of the United States...up to and including agreement establishing California as a fully independent country,” the ballot language reads.
“We feel like this current initiative is more feasible and will hold up more to scrutiny and legal challenges,” said Steve Gonzales, a member of the group California Freedom Coalition. A first attempt fizzled and was withdrawn.
California’s economy comprises nearly one-seventh of the nation’s total economic output, the analysis found.
The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled it unconstitutional for states to unilaterally secede from the U.S., and any move allowing secession would require an amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
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By reason of the 10th Amendment, the powers not granted to the federal government are reserved to the states and the people thereof. The federal government gets around this by offering money to the states with strings attached covering the things not mentioned in the Constitution. And, where does the federal government get this money? By taxation. So, ignoring differences in the distribution of income by state, the federals cripple the states, through high taxation, and then offers the states crutches in the form of aid to education, Medicaid, etc. Chief Justice John Marshall once said the power to tax is the power to destroy. Somebody has to think this one through so that the federal government can’t destroy the states.
Later, California voted very narrowly for Wilson in the 1916 election--otherwise he would have lost. Would President Hughes have gone to war with Germany in 1917?
Two "Democrat Wars" (as Bob Dole would call them) because of California.
In response to your #3 headline, it should read.
Camp Pendleton Marines Mobilized To Put Down Illegal Insurrection Against United States.
They lost. It was in all the papers. Even the fake news ones.
Get over it!
Anything we can do to help?
but the dems wouldn’t let it happen. They count on those millions of illegal votes...
Yeah, there’s no way the Democrat Party would ever let go of California.
You are correct about that but I was merely speaking of the dollars and cents not sense.
The colonies were not subscribers to an indivisible and perpetual union as are the United States. There was no consent from the colonies to be ruled by Parliament which was the essence of the Revolution. These events are completely different.
You showed convincingly that this is just another scam, not a practical option.
Still a guy can wish....
- CalExit happens and encourages as many “illegals” in the other 47 Continental States to join them. Mass Exodus occurs
- Other states begin to thrive
- Declare war on Cali
- Well other parts of the dream are more appropriate for 4chan, haha. However now Cali and the lower 47 cleaned up.
- Annex the state. Must have proof of United States citizenship or Deportation Squad will get you.
There is no constitutional means of leaving the Union. That was the whole point of creating “...more perfect union.”
A convention of the states would be constitutional or an amendment.
When you are on the wrong side of history and development you do stupid and desperate things like attack the Union. The North did not need the South to wage a crushing war but the South needed everyone else. It couldn’t arm itself, protect its ports, feed its people or kill enough Yankees try as it may.
Fact is the South attacked federal installations all across the South. Arsenals and depots were seized. Sumpter was the most publicized and no president would have tolerated an insurrection threatening the Union.
The idiot Slavers brought on their destruction. It was sheer insanity.
The increase in power of the federal government is because of the states violating constitutional rights and their desire to get cover from the voters. “We didn’t do it, it was the feds.”
This power is what the people as a whole wanted.
Any future state secession would follow the same pattern, allowing the remaining states to agree or not on a case by case basis.
-PJ
The Constitution is like handcuffs to patriots, license to Dems. We misjudged the evil that people would accept as normal, as long as they get their cut.
So did we. The principle articulated in the Declaration of Independence that people have a right to independence from a government they see as oppressive, has been destroyed. The Federal Leviathan has established supremacy over the states, and the Government the founders created has been replaced with a much larger and more malevolent beast.
A whole host of modern issues that bedevil us are the consequence of that war. Among them are Abortion, "Gay marriage", Citizenship for illegal aliens, ban on prayers in public schools, excessive public debt, and the destruction of the "natural born citizen" requirement for the Presidency.
Would love to get over it, but I am constantly reminded by the modern issues of the day that the consequences of it are still with us.
You are incorrect about this. Every British subject was told and believed that allegiance to the King was perpetual. Refusing to obey the King was treason. That is the environment in which the Colonists were raised, and that is the belief system they held at the time.
There was no consent from the colonies to be ruled by Parliament which was the essence of the Revolution.
"Consent" was not a factor. Thousand year old British law required obedience and perpetual allegiance to the King. The only indulgence tolerated is if a British woman married a foreigner, she could move to another country and no one would accuse her of Treason. For men, there was no manner in which their required allegiance and obedience could be thrown off by them.
These events are completely different.
Only in one regard. The Founders overturned the British law doctrine of "Perpetual allegiance", and replaced it with a new natural law principle that people had a right to independence.
Then Lincoln came into the picture and restored the British law doctrine that Independence cannot be tolerated.
Lincoln sent a war fleet with orders to attack them first. Their choice was to attack the fort and prevent it's guns from being used on them when the War Fleet arrived, or sit there and do nothing until they came under fire by the Ships in the Harbor and the Cannons in the Fort.
Would you have sat there and waited for cannons to fire on you? No sane person would do this.
It couldn’t arm itself, protect its ports, feed its people or kill enough Yankees try as it may.
The 5.5 million people in the South could not reasonably stand against the 20 million people in the North if the North was determined to subjugate them. The numbers simply wouldn't work.
Nor could the 3 million Colonists have stood against the British Empire if King George III was determined to destroy them. King George III stopped the war after 15,000 casualties. Lincoln kept sending men into a meat grinder, and for no better purpose than to establish Washington DC supremacy over a people who wanted to be independent.
Nobody in the South believed anyone would be so fanatical as to kill so many people to stop them from having independence. Certainly Lincoln went far beyond what George III did.
They were abandoned. Of course the residents took back land they believed was part of their new Nation.
Sumpter was the most publicized and no president would have tolerated an insurrection threatening the Union.
First of all, it was not an "insurrection." The populations of the states held a vote and through democracy they decided they no longer wished to be governed by Washington DC. As the Declaration said, Governments only rule through the consent of the governed, and these people withdrew their consent.
Secondly, in what manner did an Independent South threaten the Union? (other than diverting trade from New York.)
The idiot Slavers brought on their destruction. It was sheer insanity.
Weren't they slavers when they were part of the Union? Wouldn't slavery have continued if the South had not tried to be independent?
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