Posted on 07/31/2017 11:44:17 AM PDT by abb
WASHINGTON — President Trump has decided to remove Anthony Scaramucci from his position as communications director, three people close to the decision said Monday, relieving him just days after Mr. Scaramucci unloaded a crude verbal tirade against other senior members of the president’s senior staff.
The decision to remove Mr. Scaramucci, who had boasted about reporting directly to the president not the chief of staff, John F. Kelly, came at Mr. Kelly’s request, the people said. Mr. Kelly made clear to members of the White House staff at a meeting Monday morning that he is in charge.
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This one is even worse than the time, loooooooooooooooong ago, I posted something about being "calm", but transposed the l and the a, so it posted as "clam" and may posters copied that for moths afterwards....on purpose.
I really SHOULD proof read my replies, before hitting the "post" button, but sadly, don't do so with any regularity.
There IS, now, a separate thread with the Rush transcript. I only reported what I had heard and what is no up, here, in print.
Speaking of judgement, you got some pretty good judgment yourself.
It’s easy to criticize Trump. Every keyboard jockey thinks he knows exactly what the billionaire president should do, what he shouldn’t do, who he should hire, when he can speak, where he can speak – not on twitter oh, Lordy!
Trump has taken more conservative action in 6 months than GW did in eight years and I voted for him twice.
Totally meaningless deflection news away from the central issue of repealing the ACA Theft Act.
Skating while those who legally voted the President in office, are ignored, kicked, and expected to make bricks without clay. Same dirty Judas spirit.
Well, I’ve been listening to all the STUFF all day; and I’ve come to this conclusion:
“Mooch” was hired to find the “leakers”. Nothing more. And, look at how successful Mooch was .. 10 days, and he had exposed Reince and I believe 3 others.
That was the GIG! .. Mooch may regret he wasn’t asked to stay; or he may have dressed-down Reince .. as a way for the President to have justification to fire Mooch.
It looks too pat to me .. too much of a set-up. Bringing in an outsider to out the leakers was a brilliant move.
And NO! I do not believe Reince is smiling .. I believe he’s mad as hell that he got caught before he managed to damage the President. I wonder how many in Congress paid Reince to do the leaking ..???
Quoting from the linked article: ...”sources told CNN”... how does that represent anything more than more BS out of the anti-Trump, anti-patriotic, globalist disinformation combine?
If you wish to be respected as a Freeper type voter, Please use some brains in selecting your sources of information concerning President Trump’s Cabinet members.
>>I’ve been senior enough in enough organizations, both within and outside a the military, to have a pretty good sense of what works and what doesn’t.
So have all my clients! They still want input on what is/is not working for others.
>>Announce the standards, fire anyone who doesn’t comply.
You REALLY believe that Kelly is the first person who did or said something very close to this? Hell, POTUS is a guy who’s known by the younger generation for firing people. I am in agreement with making the standards clear (I use slightly different terms, but for this discussion, this is fine). But why were they not clear before?
How do you know that the tactics you are suggesting haven’t been tried and failed in THIS WH? I know for a fact they fail just about everywhere else. The days of leaning on people to get them to be effective in ANY organization — to the extent they ever existed — are over. It is way too easy to find another job, to start a business, to contract, to do whatever else than work in a situation where the new guy, even if he has skins on the wall, comes in and starts demanding things. Look at all of the people that were successful CEOs or leaders of organizations that came into another one and failed miserably. Gil Amelio at Apple, for example. There are others. I’m not saying these guys failed because they did what Kelly did. But what I am saying is that past success is no guarantee of future success — in investing or in organizational management. And starting off on the wrong foot is always a bad thing.
>>I’ve never had to do more than two firings before the listening skills of those remaining improve remarkably.
I’ve only fired people for dishonesty or unprofessional interpersonal behavior (i.e. workplace disputes that got out of hand). Even then only a few. Firing people is expensive and potentially dangerous to your organization. I don’t want my team to live in fear — I want them so busy being effective, they don’t have time for anything else. They aren’t going to bust their ass for someone they don’t like.
>>takes time this Administration does not have
He doesn’t have time NOT to do it right. He can’t run this office like a military post or branch of service. Plus, if it were this easy, why didn’t Trump pay everyone on staff a visit and say virtually the same thing? 5 minute speech and Trump is well known for firing people.
I’m telling you, this stuff just does not work. You’re telling me that the people at the WH that have been problematic — leaking, lack of attention to the agenda, whatever — were clever enough to get away with it for 6 months and didn’t fear getting caught. OK, so maybe they didn’t fear getting fired when Priebus was in there. Fine — I’ll grant you that. But their arrogance isn’t going to respond well to a “get your ass in line” speech, especially when they STILL believe they’ll get away with whatever it is they’re doing.
>>all you need is the first one
I wish! Again, you know this speech was the first one, how?? If it wasn’t, it didn’t work then. If it was, then the staff just ignored it.
Think what you want; believe what you want. I’m speaking as much in a vacuum as I am in this particular situation. I’m telling you what I tell clients and those that do my training programs. I keep getting phone calls!
Were you an idiot all your life or did you just wake up with that brown ring around your lips
Ask yourself why would someone like the Mooooooch be appointed in the first place when you have Conway sitting there who handled President Trump's communication ALL through his campaign and did a terrific job?
Oh and I was a proud supporter of the honorable Senator from Texas and one of the handful of supporters that President Trump has in the Senate. However when it came down to the nut cutting I stood with the President.
I asked you a simple question and you come back with an insult...
That tells me all I need to know about you...
Your question was meant to be an insult.
Don't act coy when you are stupid
As I said...It tells me just what kind of person you are..
He seemed like a caricature. A vaudeville impersonation of Trump.
I swear he’s playing Celebrity apprentice.
What senior person in the White House was fired day 1 prior to this?
The days of leaning on people to get them to be effective in ANY organization — to the extent they ever existed — are over. It is way too easy to find another job, to start a business, to contract, to do whatever else than work in a situation where the new guy, even if he has skins on the wall, comes in and starts demanding things.
The problem with your analysis is that you're applying standard corporate strategies to a military or pseudo-military organization where equivalent options for the terminated aren't readily available. They can't just leave and "do better or just as well" elsewhere. There's only one White House - one shot at being that close to national power and having a chance to leave a mark on history, however small your part may be.
I’ve only fired people for dishonesty or unprofessional interpersonal behavior (i.e. workplace disputes that got out of hand). Even then only a few. Firing people is expensive and potentially dangerous to your organization.
What about incompetence/attitude/poor fit? During the initial assault in the Iraq War, the command elements of the First Marine Division came to believe that one of the maneuver regiment task forces -- nearly 6000 Marines total -- was not being sufficiently aggressive. The regimental commander was urged to go faster, but they still weren't satisfied. So, he was fired, right then, in the middle of assault phase, and replaced by someone more aggressive.
Should they not have replaced him unless he was "dishonest" or engaged in "unprofessional personal behavior"? What's wrong with "we're firing you because you are not performing up to our expectations, and we don't have the luxury of shipping you off for training in the hope that you'll improve?
What I think you are failing to consider is that a new White House is not a long-established organization with a distinct culture, well-understood processes, and business operations that will basically continue to run just fine while you get your feet wet. Each is basically created from scratch, except for some long-term low-level staff who may have an agenda different from the new Administration.
In that type of situation, the two most important things to do are 1) make sure you have the right people in the right jobs, and 2) ensure you quickly establish the work culture/environment you want. Mooch was the wrong guy and needed to go. The backbiting/infighting among the staff -- which they all already knew was wrong but chose to do anyway -- was excessive. When people know the rules but are violating them anyway because they do not believe there are any consequences, they need to be disabused of that notion as rapidly as possible.
Everyone is not salvageable. In something as unique and important as the White House, there simply isn't time to go slow.
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>> “there simply isn’t time to go slow.” <<
Obviously a critical issue.
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I'd wager that Kelly -- who was a prior-enlisted Marine who rose to 4 star rank before coming to the White House, knows a lot more about both how to fight a war and about cursing that Mooch could imagine in his wildest dreams.
The difference is that there is a time and place for that kind of language, and it's not when you're blabbing to the press about another senior member of the staff. Like him or not (and I don't), Bannon is a very senior member of this Administration. The things Mooch said about them alone warranted his firing regardless of his job. But as Communications Director????
MSM likes Kelly. Mooch was the right move for real purging.
You're wrong there. Kelly is known to be one of the most conservative people in Trump's inner circle. He's a hard-liner on immigration, social justice warriors in the military, etc.. But, many in the MSM respect Kelly as an adversary because of his background, and because they know that if they come after him, they're going to end up looking worse.
He is dangerous for the left -- very bad news, because if he can focus the Administration they thought they had on the ropes, there is a much greater chance of Trump getting his agenda through Congress. They have no way to easily discredit him, so they're applauding him now because they must. The military is the most popular institution in the country, and a 4 star combat vet who came up through the ranks and, very sadly, lost his own son in service to this country, is not a target that is easy to hit.
Mooch was the best possible news for the MSM -- they're sad to see him go because he'd have given them a story a day. Kelly is going to be far more difficult to outflank and defeat.
Don't worry about that for a minute. He worked himself up to 4 stars from being a private, as an rifleman and then an infantry officer, and I have yet to meet a single other officer I respected who did not have the utmost admiration for him. He is the anti-swamp. Not a political bone in his body.
He's so good that when I left the Corps, I kept tabs on him even though he was only a Major at the time. I kept thinking someone that professional and not ego-driven is exactly what the Marines need. Well, dammit if everyone else didn't see the same thing, and he made it all the way up. Probably would have been Commandant except he was too outspoken on the border as head of Southern Command, and it bothered Obama.
He is most certainly one of the good ones. A fighter, and a professional, not a politician.
Here today. Flaked out at noon. Gone tomorrow.
The extent of Kelly’s cursing knowledge matters not to me. I’ve no doubt Kelly knows how to fight a military war. What is yet to be seen is how he will fight this political war.
Fighters like Mooch are to be valued and appreciated. Patriots come in all colors and flavors. Of course there is a time and place for everything. Scaramucci’s choice to use conduct the conversation with the reporter may not be worthy of praise, but neither is is worthy of condemnation/termination.
I do hope you are correct wrt Kelly. Time, of course, will tell.
Great to hear. Thank you for the input!
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