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1 posted on 07/17/2017 7:19:55 AM PDT by gattaca
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The DC-10 Fire Tanker can deliver almost 12,000 gallons, so yes, the 747 is larger at 16,000, but is not twice the nearest competitor.


40 posted on 07/17/2017 8:59:39 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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Where are the tree-huggers on this one?

What? You mean conserving our natural resources and maintaining a pristine environment really isn’t their objective?


41 posted on 07/17/2017 9:01:38 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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This is a very lopsided article. It does not present counter arguments at all. Let me take up the side that is missing.

I have been watching the bombers work several fires in my area of late. What good is a HUGE line of retardant or water if the fire is not moving in a straight line? The head of a fire is composed of lots of fingers. It is rarely going to line up perfectly straight. So the line the super tanker is laying down will go largely to waste. AND it will use up huge quantities of water and retardant that might be used by smaller planes to hit specific spots. Imagine you are building a house. You have a couple normal nail guns that run off your compressor. You can use that compressor to power them and nail all day long, nail after nail, board after board. Your friend comes to help and he brings his super nail gun. It will empty your air compressor in one shot and the compressor will take almost a minute to refill. What’s more, this super-gun shots one massive nail the equivalent of 8 nails. You try to tell him you don’t need a super nail. You are only putting 2 - 3 nails in the end of each board. The super gun will only slow you down. He gets indignant. Bigger is better he says.

Looks, that requirement from the gonervnment for 3 to 5 thousand gallons was written by the organization that uses these planes to fight fires all the time. They know what size is effective and what isn’t.

Oh and also the larger air tankers disrupt Air Attack operations while they make their pass. They don’t fit well in the normal pattern because they are so cumbersome. Plus in rough terrain the 747 isn’t going to be able to get down low enough for a good drop.


42 posted on 07/17/2017 9:01:59 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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Grounded by stupid regulations of an egomaniac swamp.
Not grounded by Trump as implied in the TV last night on ABC, CBS, NBC.

Does it make any sense to regulate who, how and when a firefighter can fight a fire?

If I have an extinguisher in my parked car and see a parked car with a small fire, should I seek to get licensed and permission before I try to use my extinguisher?


44 posted on 07/17/2017 9:05:29 AM PDT by spintreebob
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so this guy’s income from the plane usage hangs on us having more and more fires to put out?


49 posted on 07/17/2017 9:13:37 AM PDT by b4me (If Jesus came to set us free, why are so many professed Believers still in chains?)
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Thank you for referencing that article gattaca. Please note that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

"World's largest firefighting aircraft grounded by U.S. Govt"

FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

Regarding this issue, patriots are reminded that they need to develop the following habit concerning any law, regulation or action that they hear about concerning the unconstitutionally big federal government.

Since the corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification Congress has repeatedly shown that it cannot be expected to do its duty to police the feds, patriots need to check every action of the feds against the powers that the states have expressly constitutionally delegated to the feds, Congress’s constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers a good place to start.

And if no clause is found which reasonably justifies the action then the action is probably unconstitutional imo.

In this case, not only have the states never expressly constitutionally delegated to the feds the specific power to tax and spend for firefighting services, but non-elected federal bureaucrats have no constitutional authority to make decisions about such issues, even if the states had delegated such power to the feds imo.

Drain the swamp! Drain the swamp!

Remember in November ’18 !

Since Pres. Trump entered the ’16 presidential race too late for patriots to make sure that there were state sovereignty-respecting candidates on the primary ballots, patriots need make sure that such candidates are on the ’18 primary ballots so that they can be elected to support Trump in draining the unconstitutionally big federal government swamp.

Such a Congress will also be able to finish draining the swamp with respect to getting the remaining state sovereignty-ignoring, activist Supreme Court justices off of the bench.

Noting that the primaries start in Iowa and New Hampshire in February ‘18, patriots need to challenge candidates for federal office in the following way.

While I Googled the primary information above concerning Iowa and New Hampshire, FReeper iowamark brought to my attention that the February primaries for these states apply only to presidential election years. And after doing some more scratching, since primary dates for most states for 2018 elections probably haven’t been uploaded at this time (March 14, 2017), FReepers will need to find out primary dates from sources and / or websites in their own states.

Patriots need to qualify candidates by asking them why the Founding States made the Constitution’s Section 8 of Article I; to limit (cripple) the federal government’s powers.

Patriots also need to find candidates that are knowledgeable of the Supreme Court's clarifications of the federal government’s limited powers listed below.


54 posted on 07/17/2017 10:06:06 AM PDT by Amendment10
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What costs $250,000 a day? You can get a used 747 for next to nothing. A flight crew for a couple thousand a day. Jet A would probably be the biggest expense.


58 posted on 07/17/2017 10:48:31 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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