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To: kabar
-- How? If the Russians had damaging information on Hillary and want to give it to Trump, how is that at odds with wanting to help Trump? --

You are not getting my point.

The "substance of the offer" = Hillary is in cahoots with the Russians. In other words, the Russians are helping Hillary, or benefiting from something Hillary did. For example, the Russians are funding the Clinton campaign, or are undermining Bernie, or whatever.

The accusation that is at the heart of the "substance of the offer" to provide information (we don't know what it is or if it even exists, none was ever produced, maybe it's the half million dollar speaking fee or a donation to Clinton Foundation, or allowing the Podestas to participate in a profitable Russian venture) cuts against Hillary.

Of course, making the "substance of the offer" public helps Trump.

The narrative takes on a totally different flavor if the substance of the offer would have been to fund the Trump campaign, or propagandize for Trump. If that was the case, "collusion" is a fair accusation.

My point is that the "trick" you cite, and I agree it will be used, is to isolate the sentence or clause that says "we want to assist your campaign by providing this assistance."

82 posted on 07/11/2017 9:52:06 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
The "substance of the offer" = Hillary is in cahoots with the Russians.

"Cahoots" is your word. Goldstone said the Russian government had information and documents that would "incriminate" Hillary and her dealings with Russia. What does that mean? It could cover a wide range of subjects including her emails that she destroyed. And it may not have to do just with Russia.

The narrative takes on a totally different flavor if the substance of the offer would have been to fund the Trump campaign, or propagandize for Trump. If that was the case, "collusion" is a fair accusation.

This is all based on Goldstone's characterization of events. He will have to testify about those statements and what they were based on. It just opens up another Pandora's box for Mueller to investigate.

My point is that the "trick" you cite, and I agree it will be used, is to isolate the sentence or clause that says "we want to assist your campaign by providing this assistance."

Of that you can be sure. This is the smoking gun and it came from Donald Trump Jr. I am confident that the CIA had a copy of the email chain and forwarded it to Comey. This appears to me to be the document that was used to get the FISA warrant in July, not the dossier. I wonder how long the Intel Community was in surveillance of the Trump campaign. It had to be before the FISA warrant. Lots of intrigue here.

86 posted on 07/11/2017 10:07:27 AM PDT by kabar
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