Posted on 06/22/2017 9:57:04 AM PDT by ColdOne
The 142-page draft of the bill, which also prohibits states from opting out of key protections for patients with preexisting conditions, eliminates much of former President Obama’s signature health care legislation.
The measure would repeal tax increases Obama's law imposed on higher-income people and medical industry companies to pay for expanded coverage. And it would end the tax penalty Obama's statute imposes on people who don't buy insurance -- in effect, ending the so-called individual mandate.
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Just stop. It’s not political reality because just scrapping Ocare will leave more people than before Ocare with no insurance, and that won’t happen.
Every bill should cite Constitutional Authority.
I don't care — I want it gone.
I agree.
I don’t want it replaced; I want it gone.
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As a practical matter, it would be nice if it could be repealed and dismantled. Obamacare was an unworkable failure from the get go that was passed with zero Republican support. But politically, it would be a disaster for the Republicans, the damage of which would haunt them for decades to come. Obamacare is typical of all government programs, once they are established they become nearly impossible to halt after they develop a constituency that expects services from them.
I’m sympathetic to your desire, but the reality is that if abolished, tens of millions of people would be effected and this would become an albatross around the neck of Republicans and they would pay a big political price. Few if any Republicans are willing to run that risk.
That said, it might be possible to replace Obamacare and then gradually take away the residual foundations of the program over time until there is nothing left of it. In fact, some have suggested during just that.
Some states have one option to select whether you have obamacare or not if you don’t have employee sponsored health insurance, that or Medicaid and you can’t get Medicaid if you are not qualified to receive it. It will take some time and guidelines as to what they can and can’t do before private insurance companies can begin offering alternatives to customers.
I fear the senate version will be so watered down as to make it useless but these four senators are trying to do what the Freedom Caucus did in the House, putting some teeth in this squish of a bill.
McConnell is going to have to enforce some party discipline and the Republican parties at the state levels need to start pushing (R’s) in their respective states to start calling their senators and pushing for changes and for this putrid portion of the government to get off their precious rear ends and get back in the war.
As a quick rebuttal: how many Republicans are in office because they campaigned on repealing the ACA?
What, pray tell, is going to be the result of the Republican party continuing to so consistently renege on their campaign promises, and so utterly that they don't even try?
How is that going to impact the party?
Obamacare is typical of all government programs, once they are established they become nearly impossible to halt after they develop a constituency that expects services from them.
In that case we should kill it now.
Heck, if we were responsible we'd kill everything which is an unfunded liability
in the federal government. Yes, a lot of people would be out-of-luck; but there's no way that these are going to be paid off, and it is dishonest to pretend thy are.
I’m sympathetic to your desire, but the reality is that if abolished, tens of millions of people would be effected and this would become an albatross around the neck of Republicans and they would pay a big political price. Few if any Republicans are willing to run that risk.
I don't care — this is a case of pay me now, or pay me later
(as the roofers around here say) — this is the price the Republican party must pay for so easily turning against its stated values whether it's constitutionally limited government
or rule of law
or fiscal responsibility
or even government accountability
a hard stand for any of these would have prevented the mess we're in now WRT the Affordable Care Act.
That said, it might be possible to replace Obamacare and then gradually take away the residual foundations of the program over time until there is nothing left of it. In fact, some have suggested during just that.
I refer you to your own words: typical of all government programs, once they are established they become nearly impossible to halt after they develop a constituency
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So why is Rand et al opposing?
LS I don’t agree with this bill BECAUSE they are subsidizing their DONORS the insurance companies SO we are back to corporate welfare on OUR DIME!!! If they want to subsidize subsidize the people that REALLY NEED it not these DAMNED companies and lobbyists!!!!!
This is the first cut of the Senate bill. After Lee/Cruz et al get their changes, whatever remains will be reconciled with the House. ALL THAT is just “Phase 1” of Trump’s plan.
Long way to go here.
Perhaps, but won’t happen. You might as well be calling for Social Security to end.
And why shouldn't social security end? Social Security Is a Ponzi Scheme, except worse. (The plain truth is the money is gone.)
I don't care that you've been paying into the system all your working life, so have I!
Let's end the lie.
Good to know. Sounds like Rand is waiting for some improvement. Do we know where McCain stands?
If Lee/Cruz et. al. get their changes then how do you get Collins, Murkowski, Portman, and Capito to vote for it?
They have to get the first one passed before they can incrementally move in the right direction. Hardly a given.
The right logroller can get anything done. I’m actually pretty convinced that IF Yertle wants this, he’ll get it.
Why shouldn’t unicorns come by every day and deliver puppies and lollipops?
Sorry, I live in the world of the real.
He's working with the extremes of the party. Right now he's kind of in the middle and has probably 8 to 10 who oppose it. Move towards one side and you lose more from the other.
Ah, we can't repeal Obamacare because it isn't realistic
; we can't overturn/repudiate Roe v. Wade because it isn't realistic
; we can't get spending under control because it isn't realistic
; we can't eliminate governmental agencies because it isn't realistic
; we cant reign in our out-of-control judiciary because it isn't realistic
.
Do you think that we can continue to operate while incurring not Millions, not Billions, but Trillions in debt and liabilities? — because it isn't realistic
.
LS wish I could agree with you on this HOWEVER Trump PROMISED us NO MORE corporate welfare, NO MORE paying off lobbyists, NO MORE subsidizing these POS corporations WHENEVER the government has their claws in ANYTHING it becomes MORE EXPENSIVE!!! Look at the cost of college since the DAMNED government took over college loans!!!! The insurance companies SHOULD work this out on their own people who have preexsisting conditions SHOULD have to pay more as it is with ANY type of insurance!!!! The tentacles of government just KEEP GROWING in our lives I just GIVE UP the PUBBIES are NO DIFFERENT than the Dems it is what it is just a bunch of LYING POLITICIANS!!!!
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