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Something is fishy about USS Fitzgerald story we are getting from the media
americanthinker.com ^ | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 06/18/2017 7:22:25 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

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To: sharkhawk

Same thought I had. Tracking would have shone the transponder going off line.


81 posted on 06/18/2017 8:21:03 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: RoosterRedux

Impossible it’s invisible without a transponder. Even the Raytheon on our old Grady White would show any vessel within its range. I’d assume modern military technology has to be way better than a late ‘90s recreational system.


82 posted on 06/18/2017 8:21:35 AM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: Lockbox

I saw another track that had the collision where the Crystal’s last starboard turn is.
The Fitz was positioned going in the opposite direction.
The Crystal turned slightly to port as did the Fitz, crossing the bow of the Crystal.
It was as if the ships decided to pass starboard to starboard instead of protocol port to port.

Just guessing, without seeingg depth charts, etc I think the Crystal realized it was on the wrong track heading for trouble, backtracked looking for the shipping lane.

Even if the Crystal wanted to intentionally ram the Fitz, the Fitz should have been able to stay clear.


83 posted on 06/18/2017 8:22:52 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: mewzilla

> Collision. Though I wouldn’t rule out collusion, especially if this was a hostile act. <

Yeah, both words might fit. If I were forced to bet, I’d bet that this was an accident. But I wouldn’t bet very much.


84 posted on 06/18/2017 8:23:44 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Chgogal

I do not know any details, but I would check for any leftover Rules of Engagement that would require no Radar emmissions close to certain coastlines, or EMCON execise. Or something that would make the freighter’s transponder the sole source of detection.

Bad rules of engagement seem to usually negate technological advantages quicker that any technological counter-developement.


85 posted on 06/18/2017 8:24:36 AM PDT by Hiryusan
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To: lakecumberlandvet

The crew on the Fitz bridge blew it completely whether this was an attack or not.

Blew. It.


86 posted on 06/18/2017 8:26:43 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (CNN IS ISIS.)
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To: RoosterRedux

A little off topic but I saw a report several months ago that Japan has more destroyers in the Pacific than the U.S. Navy does.


87 posted on 06/18/2017 8:26:56 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: Timpanagos1
"I’ll go with Capt. Johnny Walker was at the ship’s helm."

Or Capt. Morgan.

88 posted on 06/18/2017 8:26:59 AM PDT by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: Leaning Right

Maybe there was a confrontation between the two ships. Was Fitzgerald trying to stop the Crystal? I think they would have reported that, but maybe not.


89 posted on 06/18/2017 8:27:09 AM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Am I wrong, or wasn’t there another “accident” in this region involving a US warship just a few weeks ago?


90 posted on 06/18/2017 8:27:41 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: yarddog

No I meant Islam at the wheel of the container ship


91 posted on 06/18/2017 8:29:15 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

My first thought was “muslims”.


92 posted on 06/18/2017 8:29:59 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Mariner

Do you feel that way about the ship being rammed in the Suez canal too?


93 posted on 06/18/2017 8:30:20 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: LS

Well there was this odd ball story of a sailor hiding in a boiler room for a week.

https://news.usni.org/2017/06/15/uss-shiloh-sailor-found-alive-onboard-cruiser-week-went-missing

http://www.news4jax.com/news/military/navy-suspends-search-for-putnam-county-sailor-who-fell-overboard-off-japan_


94 posted on 06/18/2017 8:30:53 AM PDT by proust (Trump / Pence 2016!)
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To: DH

Who is the captain of the ACX Crystal? Something like muhamhead?


95 posted on 06/18/2017 8:32:12 AM PDT by onedoug (FREE KEKISTAN!)
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To: proust

No, that wasn’t it. It was a collision of some sort involving a ship. Maybe not with another ship, but I’m pretty sure it was a collision.


96 posted on 06/18/2017 8:32:22 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: The Great RJ
I can assure you that the Navy was tracking the ship. while in the Navy that was my son's assignment prior to discharge. The facilities he described for this purpose were very large and complex. What needs to be investigated is how the ship was lost and how it was never picked up prior to the collision.
97 posted on 06/18/2017 8:32:37 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Women who are 25 pounds overweight tend to live longer than the men who mention it.)
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To: virgil

> Maybe there was a confrontation between the two ships. Was Fitzgerald trying to stop the Crystal? <

If so, I’m guessing the captain would have sounded general quarters. Even the guys baking bread deep inside the ship would have been alerted. But nobody on the Fitzgerald seems to have been alerted.


98 posted on 06/18/2017 8:35:01 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: RoosterRedux
My bro was a Captain at one time but of course spent many hours on watch. "Never trust a ship that's not USA flagged."

And like I said yesterday, one of my earliest thoughts was Ramming people in the Streets of Europe and ramming a ship have something in common.

99 posted on 06/18/2017 8:37:11 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Blue Highway

“I knew it wasn’t a Cessna that hit the world trade center like CNN was initially reporting”

I remember that, Funny how things never change. CNN is still a worthless disinformation engine.


100 posted on 06/18/2017 8:38:53 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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