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Posted on 06/02/2017 2:35:04 PM PDT by Zakeet
I don’t think so; if he did, he’d have to admit “You guys were right”.
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“The impression left by the press was a false narrative.”
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No surprise there——and I would think that FReepers would understand that.
The press says what it wants to say,facts be damned.
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I think a lot of coaches had to know. Not one of them came forward ?
Ohhhh, lets see......
The 1997 forced retirement of Sandusky. It stemmed for accusations of a mother of boy who was groped by Sandusky. At the very least, Paterno and the administration knew that there was something wrong and questionable with Sandusky and minors. Yet they still gave him full access to the University facilities with his charity.
The 2002 incident which McQueary witnessed. What resulted was a Sunday meeting in Paternos house with the University President, the AD, the Police Chief, McQueary and Paterno. (Why a meeting in a private house on a Sunday? Why not in the PSU police department? Why not the AD office on Monday morning?) During this meeting, there was NO effort in pressing McQueary in EXACTLY what he witnessed. McQueary got away with saying that he saw something that made him feel uncomfortable. There as no attempt to promptly contact Sandusky to get his side of the story. Lastly, there was NO attempt to find this minor, identify him and determine his well being. All they did after the meeting was to take away some of Sandusky’s access privileges on campus and tell him not to bring an more kids on school grounds.
In view of both of these incidences, it is clear that Sandusky was acting at the very least inappropriately with minors and there was suffient grounds to pursue further due diligence in interviewing Sandusky AND the victims. There was no effort to do so. But the spring of 2002, the PSU Administration, the Athletic Department and the Football program knew that something was very wrong but did not pursue it further. They allowed a person who had suspicious involvements with minors to continue without reporting or investigating to authorities.
If someone like you or me knew about someone who had at least two suspicious dealings with minors and we got at least one witness of molestation and we did nothing.....we would be called accomplices as well as aiding and abetting a monster.
You are most certainly right on the money. Sandusky could’ve picked any school with a head-coaching vacancy and named his price. But I don’t recall any schools at the aggressively pursuing him. Also, he wasn’t interested. He had his gig going with the Second Mile Foundation and all the judges turning over juvenile male delinquents into the custody of the Second Mile Foundation. There are so many co-conspirators in this matter that will never be identified or prosecuted.
Also note the Sandusky story only broke AFTER JoePa got the record for most wins.
the way he stuck up for the old fool you’d think he was his son or something
I truly think that in some alternate reality he believed he was Joe Paterno...sad, in a way, he could be a likeable enough fellow...
Also note the Sandusky story only broke AFTER JoePa got the record for most wins.
that was odd; it broke bright and early the very next morning...
What specifically did Joe Pa not do that he should have?
I get your point, but at the very least Paterno was made aware of a potential situation that could end up being very damaging to the university and to himself and his program-—and he decided to advise the administrators to sit on it and let the situation unfold in house...this much is obvious...
of course, throughout history, many people, many far less honorable than Joe Paterno, who have made this same calculus, and for many, it has worked; it would have worked this time as well, if Sandusky hadn’t been so stupid as to creep out a high school student several years later, and the state finally got its butt in gear on the investigation...at this trial, it was determined that several additional youngsters after the administration learned about Sandusky were in fact manipulated and abused,and this went to the heart of the sentencing...
he was blind to the potential seriousness of the situation, no doubt due to complacency and advancing age; not so much guilty of comission (and rightly so he was never charged with anything) but of omission. I will grant you that it was a terrible ending to his career, and may seem undeserved, but his mark is on it, nonetheless...
‘The 1997 forced retirement of Sandusky’
I think he retired in 1999...
‘It stemmed for accusations of a mother of boy who was groped by Sandusky.’
that has never actually been established...
‘But the spring of 2002, the PSU Administration, the Athletic Department and the Football program knew that something was very wrong but did not pursue it further.’
of course that is all true, but the defense for Paterno has always been that Sandusky didn’t report to him anymore at that point; a lame defense, perhaps, but there it is...
‘we would be called accomplices as well as aiding and abetting a monster.’
that would depend upon how much control we exercised over the offender, and after Sandusky’s retirement, Paterno himself was under no compunction other than morality to act on what he he knew...of course, that he failed this moral test is undeniable, and will forever taint his memory...
“sorted”= Brit slang for: under control, problem solved, don’t worry, nothing to see here, don’t ask.
Well you have a few facts wrong:
The first incident was investigated by:
1) The local police
2) The state child endangerment agency
3) The state police
Guess what: Sandusky admitted to the mother he took a shower with the kid. The state police got this admission on audio. They looked at the guy, his actions and determined he was grossly inappropriate, but not a child molester, he did not fit the pattern and the entire justice system missed his actions. He was likely a psychopath and fooled the experts, a clever worm. He was warned against such actions and no charges filed.
Exactly how is this on Paterno? What was he supposed to do, mount a vendetta against a man cleared by the criminal justice system? Get real.
On the McQueary incident, you have the facts wrong as well. Badly wrong.
1) Paterno was not at the Sunday meeting.
2) The Sunday meeting was McQueary, his father and a close family friend.
3) the outcome of that meeting was that the father and family friend told Mcqueary to go see Paterno.
4) Paternao listened briefly and told Mcqueary to go see the head of the PSU police department (they are a full police department) and the head of the athletic program.
5) Paterno followed up to see that McQueary did so.
Paterno did nothing more.
Now here is the thing: Having been in a reserve unit and seen how the IG handles investigations (female sexual harassment charges), and having been in a company when a complaint was filed (weird guy trying to charge someone to avoid getting fired) and seeing how those actions went through, that is what you do. You do not at any point in the investigation make judgments, nor are you allowed to, nor are you allowed to speak of the investigation, other than to give what you know when asked by investigators. In fact as a supervisor your training when someone approaches you is to listen just enough to figure out that an issue exists that might be criminal in nature and then stop listening, then direct the fellow to the correct authorities and see he follows though.
Why you ask? Well the police/authorities want to get the statement with minimal tellings, without any questions asked that might shade the story or otherwise alter it. So Paterno did exactly the correct thing, according to stated procedure.
The fact is in the IG cases I knew about (I was a personal sergeant) and in the company issue, we were specifically dictated to neither talk about or act on any suspicion we might have had.
When it all came out a few years later Paterno said to the grand Jury that in retrospect, knowing what Sandusky had been guilty of such crimes, he wished he had done more. Which any one who is around and sees malfeasance wishes he could, but often one is not in such a situation. The fact is the crimes and place Sandusky recruited his victims was at a separate charity Sandusky set up, and folks seem to ignore this organization, which is where the victims were recruited, not at Penn State.
One final comment on this: The kid McQueary saw/heard, he was never raped and Sandusky never charged with a crime on that case, the kid said nothing ever happened, and had he so stated the kid stood to make some serious money off of Penn State. McQueary likely saved this kid, who was likely being groomed for something. But how you can expect Paterno to have responsibility for not making a one man crusade when, once again the criminal justice system did not find a crime had occurred in that case (like 1997), well, I simply do not see how you can expect an 80 year old guy to be omniscient. Prior to all this most PA adults had no idea of the grooming and pedo pattern, it is that case that educated a lot of folks here in PA.
Just for the record, I have no affiliation with Penn State (other than a degree from that university), the athletic department or the Paterno family. But when I was there (1995 to 1997), I saw with my own eyes the many good things that Paterno did. He was the real deal but it would take too long to cover that.
I find folks who have not done the research on this case and yet condemn Paterno to be failing in one Christian duty: not to bear false witness. If you do not know the fats do not put half truths down as you have. You got several details wrong, which a 5 minute search would have corrected.
Something to ponder.
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Spanier was well known for promoting homosexuality before he was hired away from Nebraska to be the the PSU President.
‘On the McQueary incident, you have the facts wrong as well. Badly wrong.’
being off by one day (Saturday or Sunday)is not getting something ‘badly wrong’...
‘So Paterno did exactly the correct thing, according to stated procedure.’
true enough, but you are ignoring the distorted reality of PSU; Mcqueary was advised to report his story not to the authorities but to a football coach; this illustrates the power and influence of Paterno, a position that he himself cultivated, calling it the ‘Paterno Way’...until this story broke, at PSU when Joepa spoke, everybody listened, and most of the time acted...Paterno knew this; he just didn’t want to be bothered, a significant moral failure...
IIRC they put up a statue of Robert Schuller at the then-Crystal Cathedral while *he* was alive and still preaching.
The JoePa statue went in IIRC in 2001 to mark his 50th anniversary on the PSU coaching staff - this was ten years before the Sandusky crap hit the fan.
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The Sex Pistols of Penn State have met the consequences of their appetite for perversion.
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