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To: CharlesWayneCT

Again, there was no obligation on my part to do anything. The passenger who wished to use my space instead of his own had the obligation to stow his bag correctly. I informed the FA that it wasn’t my bag. The flight attendant is under no obligation to track down the owner of a misplaced bag. If the bag would have been in the proper space then there would be no question as to whom the bag belonged unless of course the FA is notified otherwise. The FAs are well aware of such underhanded practices and do not seem to mind carrying out the letter of the law when possible (unidentified or unaccompanied bags are removed).

Maybe for a moment you could focus on the obligations of presumptuous passenger who wished to keep his space clear for his own feet by using someone else’s space. What should he have done?

See he did not try to take my space, he did not ask, or even inform. He simply took it. I was the victim. I refused to remain a victim. Any consequence are on the thieving passenger.


42 posted on 05/26/2017 12:35:39 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety (.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

Oddly, you keep arguing about doing exactly what I think was a reasonable course of action.

If there is a bag under your feet, and it isn’t yours, there are three reasonable things you can do (unreasonable being things like pouring your soda on it, stomping it flat, or stealing it when you leave the plane).

First, you could do nothing, and put up with it. I wouldn’t, but a person might.

Second, you could ask the people around you if it is there bag, and return it to them. That is what I would do, but I’m outgoing and a lot of people don’t like to interact with others, so...

Third, you could give it to the FA, and let the airline deal with it. That’s a perfectly reasonable thing to do. And that is what you did.

Note that none of those are “obligations”. You weren’t obligated to do anything, you could have just ignored the whole thing. Taking action wasn’t an obligation, it was a choice.

My objection was to the airline response as you reported it, which went along with the airline action in the article.

I can’t imagine why ANY airline wouldn’t, having found a bag like that, asked the people in direct proximity whether it was their bag.

Note that under security rules, an “unattended bag” is considered a security risk. I mean, it could be a bomb, right?

But you can’t claim that as your authority for acting, and then have your action be picking up the bag and placing it right outside the door of the airplane. Because if it is a bomb, you don’t want to blow up the outside of the plane, or the airport equipment, you want to call security and get a bomb squad.

I think, as you said, the particular FA wanted to “punish” a paying customer for defying norms and being an ass.

I just don’t think this is the appropriate way for an airline to handle the situation, especially since the situation is so easily handled by simply holding up the bag and saying “hey, is this someone’s bag”, and then “You are not allowed to place your bag under your seat, it must be under the seat in front of you”.


43 posted on 05/26/2017 2:15:00 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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