Posted on 05/25/2017 6:07:52 AM PDT by DFG
Sometimes there is no space left to put your stowed items, once you get on (if you’re not in Group One, say). You then have to find an overhead space where ever you can...sometimes in rows in front or back of where you’re sitting.
Would it have been so difficult to ask around, if that was a passenger’s bag, before handing it off to ground crew as abandoned/forgotten?
The jerk deserves it. He should have kept his wallet and passport on his person, not in luggage.
Some people just shouldn’t travel.
They have a number of names for people like you. FR policy against ad hominem comments prevents a listing thereof.
Civilization continues only if as many mature people as possible observe the old "Golden Rule".
You know the one: "Do unto others as you would have done unto you."
Common sense isn't so common anymore.
Damned elitists rubbing in others faces that they could afford to fly.....
My Dad had the requisite black overcoat for inclement weather and wore a suit and tie to work/church - a habit that was about dead in the 60s. Watching old movies shows a society that knew that good manners mattered - even the poor wore threadbare suits and hats..
No doubt, but when you put stuff under your seat you're taking space intended for the passenger behind you.
I thought the Golden Rule was “He who has the Gold, makes the rules.”
>> I remember looking at my grandfathers Pan Am ticket stub from LAX to Tahiti (which he bought on the same day as his travel - at the ticket counter) 40 dollar down payment, 560 dollar balance due in 90 days. That was RT as well. Business Class. This was about 1965 <<
In 1968, courtesy of my employer, I had an around-the-world ticket on Pan Am flight PA 002, with unlimited stopovers. The cost was around $1300 in 1968 dollars. In today’s dollars, that amount would be $10000 or more!
So your G-father’s 1965 Tahiti jaunt looks to have been worth maybe $5000 in 2017 dollars.
In other words, even though air travel may no longer be the luxurious experience it was during the “good ole days” — it’s certainly a hell of a lot cheaper now.
The passenger chose to take someone else’s space. He got as he gave. Maybe you have a name in mind for people such as yourself who accept such passive aggressive behavior from others? But then you would rather take the passive route of hinting and implying your name calling instead of stating it outright.
True, even the poor back then had class.
Sorry I was so terse. If you don’t fly often you don’t get to see the rude arrogant behavior of some people. It’s hard for some to imagine that this guy may have knowingly and very deliberately taken someone else’s space. But I see it all the time. I call them airplane bullies.
He got as he gave.
"Be slow to anger"
"But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:39
Righteous personal conduct interpretation
Another interpretation is that Jesus was not changing the meaning of "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" but restoring it to the original context. Jesus starts his statement with "you have heard it said", which could mean that he was clarifying a misconception, as opposed to "it is written" which could be a reference to scripture. The common misconception seems to be that people were using Exodus 21:24-25 (the guidelines for a magistrate to punish convicted offenders) as a justification for personal vengeance. In this context, the command to "turn the other cheek" would not be a command to allow someone to beat or rob a person, but a command not to take vengeance.
Maybe you have a name in mind for people such as yourself who accept such passive aggressive behavior from others?
Peacemaker? Adult? Immune to 'micro-aggressions'?
But then you would rather take the passive route of hinting and implying your name calling instead of stating it outright.
I was implying that some types of behavior are frowned upon in a smoothly working, polite society.
“They have a number of names for people like you. FR policy against ad hominem comments prevents a listing thereof.”
So you have an ad hominem attack in mind, to the point of knowing the “number of names”, and your only restraint from calling me the names is FR policy.
As a man thinketh...
You have the righteousness of Jimmy Carter maybe even Gov Kaisich. I checked those names are not on the FR list banning ad hominem attacks.
That does seem kind of petty. If you had mentioned it and they refused to move it, then I’d understand the action.
On the other hand, the FA’s actions seem absurd. How hard is it to take the bag, walk forward 2 feet, and say “sir, is this your bag?” instead of putting it outside the plane where the guy might miss the flight he paid for.
The Terminal starring Tom Hanks where he is stranded at an airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terminal
Mehran Karimi Nasseri stayed 18 years at a airport. Inspiration for movie above.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehran_Karimi_Nasseri
The passenger was petty, a petty tyrant and bully. So taking someone else’s leg room and feet space is acceptable so long as no one complains? No I raised the stakes on such behavior. That person will think again before they try to take what isn’t theirs.
I worked for UAL late 1959-1962-the start of the “jet age”. We used to kid about: “Breakfast in London, lunch in NYC, dinner in San Francisco and baggage in Buenos Aries!”
The service people flying receive certainly has deteriorated since then.
The point is you had no obligation to do anything but tell the FA that there was a bag under your feet, but it makes no sense that the FA wouldn’t ask the passenger in front of you if it was his bag.
And I don’t know where you get “acceptable”, nobody said you should leave the bag at your feet.
Another passive-aggressive way of handling this would be to step all over the bag, spill your water on it, and generally make sure anything in it was ruined.
I mean, there’s a whole range of passive-aggressive behaviors that could be applied to this “problem”.
I had no obligations. I was not even obligated to tell the FA. The passenger however was obligated to put his bag where it belonged. His violation of his obligation and outright selfishness in willfully optimizing his own space at my expense merited no consideration in even the leasest amount.
Never yield to bullies and always fight back 2X harder. It is the only thing that works.
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