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To: Daffynition
Maybe it's things like this in Roman Catholicism that cause people to think as such:

Unam sanctam

The Bull also states, "We are informed by the texts of the gospels that in this Church and in its power are two swords; namely, the spiritual and the temporal."[12] The swords being referred to are a customary reference to the swords yielded by the Apostles upon Christ's arrest (Luke 22:38; Matthew 26:52).[2] Early theologians believed that if there are two swords, one must be subordinate to the other. This then became a spiritual hierarchal ladder, the spiritual judges the secular "on account of its greatness and sublimity,[2] while the lower spiritual power is judged by the higher spiritual power, etc.[11] Thus, it was concluded, the temporal authorities must submit to the spiritual authorities, not merely on matters concerning doctrine and morality: "For with truth as our witness, it belongs to spiritual power to establish the terrestrial power and to pass judgment if it has not been good." The bull ends, "Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unam_sanctam

16 posted on 05/25/2017 4:15:39 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
You might try putting "Unam Sanctam" in some historical context.

It was a rebuke of a rebellious monarch, King Philip the Fair of France, who claimed to be a Catholic but was more-or-less trying to take over the Church in France. It was not a general treatise on whether or not non-Catholics can be saved, and in fact quotes work of St Thomas Aquinas where he explains exactly how and under what conditions persons outside the visible Church can be saved.

25 posted on 05/25/2017 5:03:07 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: ealgeone
Your objection also displays a misunderstanding of Catholic teaching and takes the Papal Bull out of context from history and theology."


74 posted on 05/25/2017 2:20:54 PM PDT by Daffynition ("The New PTSD: Post-Trump Stress Disorder" - The MLN didn't make Trump, so they can't break Trump.)
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