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The Dangerous Advance on Assisted Suicide You Probably Haven't Heard About
newsbusters ^ | 05/20/2017 | Bobby Schindler

Posted on 05/20/2017 2:17:45 PM PDT by DFG

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To: DFG

Nothing new. People in this country are dehydrated every day.


21 posted on 05/22/2017 7:49:22 AM PDT by ladyjane
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FWIW, I think this is less about how it’s done than who makes the decision.

Meanwhile, per OR law, a patient with early Alzheimers may still be allowed behind the wheel. Just something to keep in mind while reading the bill.


22 posted on 05/22/2017 7:53:47 AM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: TexasGator
It appears to me the problematic section is this:

(4)(a) In adopting the form of an advance directive under this section, the committee shall use plain language, such as “tube feeding” and “life support.”

(b) As used in this subsection:

(A) “Life support” means life-sustaining procedures.

(B) “Tube feeding” means artificially administered nutrition and hydration.

Is is the broad definition of tube feeding to include all artificially administered nutrition and hydration that opens the door.

The person filling out the form would naturally assume that "tube feeding" means "feeding through a tube", which usually occurs with unconscious patients who cannot swallow. But there are a lot of forms of artificially administered nutrition and hydration that to not involve what would typically understood as "tube feeding", including spoon feeding of a conscious patient who is incapable of feeding himself.

So the person who opts out of tube feeding also opts out of spoon feeding, because of the broad definition. Furthermore, if spoon feeding is considered a medical intervention, instead of routine and ordinary care, it makes it much easier to withhold by court order, even without an advance directive.

So, there it is, quoted directly from the bill, in black and white. Would you care, at this time, to repeat how this is not in the bill?

23 posted on 05/22/2017 8:01:03 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (eliminate perverse incentives)
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"So the person who opts out of tube feeding also opts out of spoon feeding, because of the broad definition. Furthermore, if spoon feeding is considered a medical intervention, instead of routine and ordinary care, it makes it much easier to withhold by court order, even without an advance directive. "

Best to read the bill ....

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(b) “Artificially administered nutrition and hydration” does not include the usual and typical provision of nutrition and hydration, such as the provision of nutrition and hydration by cup, hand, bottle, drinking straw or eating utensil.

24 posted on 05/22/2017 8:14:36 AM PDT by TexasGator
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Ah, I see my error. I assumed that the broad definition was complete in itself, and I did not see the limitation included in the previous section.

My mistake.

It appears that the article is blowing smoke. The treatment they are concerned about is specifically excluded, and thus remains ordinary care, as you point out.

Perhaps the person who wrote the article made the same mistake I did.


25 posted on 05/22/2017 8:25:24 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (eliminate perverse incentives)
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Your response is appreciated!


26 posted on 05/22/2017 8:29:59 AM PDT by TexasGator
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PS. Another reminder, as if one was necessary, that getting snarky is almost always a bad decision.


27 posted on 05/22/2017 8:30:45 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (eliminate perverse incentives)
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