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Trump raises stakes on government shutdown, demands border wall funds in spending bill
washingtontimes.com/ap ^ | 4/20/17 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 04/21/2017 7:39:04 AM PDT by ColdOne

The White House said Thursday that it wants to see money for President Trump’s border wall included in the spending bill Congress must pass next week — a demand Democrats said sours negotiations and makes a government shutdown more likely.

The demands mark a reversal for the administration, which had been saying it found enough money to build prototypes this year and wouldn’t need a major infusion of cash until next year.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: borders; borderwall; debtceiling; illegalaliens; immigration; shutdown; spendingbill; trump; trumpwall
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To: ColdOne
Trump declares until he gets funds for the border wall, he must shut down the Government, but only after spending the few funds remaining to build a 30 ft wall around Congress to protect the USA<\b>.
41 posted on 04/21/2017 8:45:07 AM PDT by TheNext (Democrat Supremists)
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To: kabar

I am just saying the fact that the promise that US taxpayers would not be on the hook for the cost and was is being asked is for just exactly the opposite now.

It could give some in congress reason to say no and try to score some political hay by pointing it out

And a tariff on imports from Mexico is for all practical purposes a tax on US citizens.


42 posted on 04/21/2017 8:51:59 AM PDT by maxtheripper
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To: Lurkinanloomin

>>He repeatedly said he would undo ALL of Obama’s executive actions on immigration.<<

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Okay, I’ll buy that. But he has always given priority on the gangs and criminals and building the wall; and indicated some of the other categories would be more directly confronted down the line, after the priorities are under control (and situation reassessed).

Trump knows he has to manage public opinion to some degree in order to win the big war—SAVING AMERICA. This is going to take 8 years or more. He has to go about things smartly.


43 posted on 04/21/2017 8:54:32 AM PDT by Disestablishmentarian
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To: ColdOne

Go Trump, Go!


44 posted on 04/21/2017 8:56:36 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: TheNext

LOL!


45 posted on 04/21/2017 8:56:46 AM PDT by ColdOne ((I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11~ Best Election Ever!)
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To: LS
""Brilliant. They don’t shut down, we win and get border funds.

They do shut down, we win and get the freakin’ government shut down.""

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46 posted on 04/21/2017 8:57:14 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: kabar
RE:”The wall and cutting off funding for Planned Parenthood for starters.”

Trump made a major campaign promise on the Wall,
it was very popular here.
Many said he was lying at the time including Obama, now its time for him to prove he wasn't rather than tell congress to take the hit for more deficits or taxes.

Donald Trump announced Tuesday he would use a federal anti-terrorism surveillance law as a tool to force Mexico to pay for the border wall he has pledged to build on the U.S.’s southern border.
Trump outlined the steps his administration would undertake to compel Mexico to pay the U.S. “$5-10 billion” to fund a border wall in a memo his campaign released Tuesday morning — a plan that relies largely on threatening to bar undocumented Mexican immigrants in the United States from wiring money to relatives in Mexico.
Using a broad interpretation of the post-9/11 USA Patriot Act, Trump writes in the memo that he would threaten to issue new regulations that would compel money transfer companies like Western Union to verify a client's identity and legal status before authorizing a wire transfer

Donald Trump outlines plan to get Mexico to pay for border wall( By Jeremy Diamond, CNN April 5, 2016)

47 posted on 04/21/2017 8:59:08 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Trump "I will put America First!")
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To: maxtheripper

It doesn’t matter. The cost of the wall is chump change and it will pay for it self in reduced social welfare spending. If you are against the wall being built you are an enemy of what Trump and his voters stand for. Like I said $20B is pocket change.


48 posted on 04/21/2017 9:01:34 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: maxtheripper
And a tariff on imports from Mexico is for all practical purposes a tax on US citizens.

Closed factories and 'displaced' US workers are a tax on US citizens.

49 posted on 04/21/2017 9:04:06 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

The problem with the way the border wall promise was made on the campaign trail is that the president was very specific and emphatic in what was promised and how it would be paid for.

Now he has to deal with the fact that the promise and functional reality are at odds. There is no way we can get Mexico to pay for it UP FRONT and there is no publicly known plan to make them pay for it AFTER THE FACT.

Right or wrong he is going to take heat for not fulfilling the promise in the specific way he himself made it.

If there is a plan to make Mexico pay for it as promised that should be shared with the public at large to turn down the heat on this.

If it is going to be paid for by US taxpayers, which is what is being floated by asking for funding in the continuing resolution, or US consumers, which is what an import tariff would be doing, then there better be some serious message craft going on to avoid what will be a campaign issue in the 2018 midterms.


50 posted on 04/21/2017 9:19:21 AM PDT by maxtheripper
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To: Terry Mross
It sounds good. But it won’t sound good when the rinos and democrats refuse.

Trump ran on building a big beautiful wall.

Trump won 230 congressional districts. Trump also won about 60% of the senate districts or states.

Trump SHOULD have no problem getting the wall funded in congress.

52 posted on 04/21/2017 9:35:21 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: ColdOne

Start construction ASAP. Every delay will make it more difficult to get this project underway.


53 posted on 04/21/2017 9:36:40 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (Chuck Schumer--giving pond scum everywhere a bad name.)
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To: maxtheripper
Except that the actual campaign promise was that Mexico, NOT US taxpayers, would pay for the wall.

He should have been more specific about that promise. I took it from to first to mean that Mexico would pay for the wall as Trump policies reduced our trade deficit with Mexico and brought back some jobs and prevented others from moving to Mexico. Not to mention the enforcement of immigration laws and the savings that will bring.

Those results would pay for the wall many times over in a few years. But he left the promise too open and now his enemies are using it against him.

No sensible person ever believed Mexico would supply funds directly to pay for the wall and no one thinks that now.

54 posted on 04/21/2017 9:45:26 AM PDT by Will88
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To: ColdOne

why are the Pubs “negotiating” with the Dem? They have the votes to pass any spending bill in both houses.


55 posted on 04/21/2017 9:47:00 AM PDT by catnipman ( Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: maxtheripper
I am just saying the fact that the promise that US taxpayers would not be on the hook for the cost and was is being asked is for just exactly the opposite now.

If Trump is successful in tapping other sources of funding from Mexico to pay for the wall, how does that put the taxpayer on the hook? And the reality is that illegal immigration is costing the taxpayers more than $130 billion a year just in healthcare, education, and incarceration. Even if the wall cost $50 billion, its costs will be amortized in less than a year.

And a tariff on imports from Mexico is for all practical purposes a tax on US citizens.

This is the free trade, open borders argument. Mexico puts a tariff on our goods even under NAFTA. Over 100 countries put "border taxes" on imported US goods and we don't reciprocate. Let's create an even playing field. Moreover, there are other ways to get the money as I indicated, i.e., a surcharge on US visas for Mexicans to build the wall. We have issued over 4 million Border Crossing Cards (BCCs) to Mexicans who commute almost daily to the US. There are millions of other visas issued to Mexicans every year. And then there are $27 billion in remittances sent to Mexico every year.

57 posted on 04/21/2017 9:53:11 AM PDT by kabar
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To: sickoflibs
Trump made a major campaign promise on the Wall, it was very popular here. Many said he was lying at the time including Obama, now its time for him to prove he wasn't rather than tell congress to take the hit for more deficits or taxes.

And he will honor that pledge. He needs seed money to start the wall. If Trump is successful in tapping other sources of funding from Mexico to pay for the wall, how does that put the taxpayer on the hook? And the reality is that illegal immigration is costing the taxpayers more than $130 billion a year just in healthcare, education, and incarceration. Even if the wall cost $50 billion, its costs will be amortized in less than a year.

Moreover, there are other ways to get the money, i.e., a surcharge on US visas for Mexicans to build the wall. We have issued over 4 million Border Crossing Cards (BCCs) to Mexicans who commute almost daily to the US. There are millions of other visas issued to Mexicans every year. And then there are $27 billion in remittances sent to Mexico every year.

58 posted on 04/21/2017 9:58:05 AM PDT by kabar
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To: sickoflibs

It also says that democrats have insisted the budget include billions to prop up obamacare.


59 posted on 04/21/2017 9:59:34 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: maxtheripper

We’re not securing our border from Mexico’s depredations on commission. You’ve heard the Mexicans say, “We’re not paying.” haven’t you?
And it’s not a book Trump is writing where we expect an advance.
President Trump is building the wall, then giving the bill to Mexico. What’s not specific or emphatic about that?
If we have to garnish Mexicans’ wages earned here and sent `home’ (yes, their country); suspend foreign aid (And why did we help Mexico build its wall?); or recover the money by replevin and execution; or the World Bank, whatever it takes, President Trump will do it.
(They could sell us Cancun—for that matter the Yucatan peninsula.)

You don’t think Donald Trump has any experience recovering moneys owed?

Financing the wall isn’t that difficult to understand, unless you don’t want to understand. President Trump made it specific by emphatically stating that they are paying: once we turn a shovel, we are Mexico’s creditor. We’re not screwing around with these people anymore.


60 posted on 04/21/2017 10:00:04 AM PDT by tumblindice
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