“In the Confederate States - 316,519. In the two border south states that the Confederacy considered part of them - 62,965.In the rest of the U.S. - 14,491”
So, the correct answer is 316,000 and change within the Confederacy, and 77,000 and change without. Already distorting the facts.
“A tiny percentage of the total.”
In other words, you don’t know, and you’re not thinking your way through to the implications of the fact that there were any black slavers.
“Conscription.”
No, the New York draft riot was started by a rumor that Lincoln was pursuing the war to free the slaves rather than to keep the Union together.
“He didn’t. He issued the Emancipation Proclamation in September 1862 and made it effective January 1, 1863.”
If I ever make an argument like that, just shoot me.
“Because constitutionally Lincoln could not end slavery.”
Haw. Constitutionally he couldn’t suspend habeas corpus or wage war on the southern states, either, but he didn’t let that stop him. He was quite willing to allow the institution of slavery to stand in return for a cessation in hostilities. It was only when he saw that the slavery issue was not enough to satisfy the South, and that the Brits were not going to come in on the side of the South, that he let himself be pressured into the Emancipation Proclamation.
This tells us that slavery was not the main issue for the South.
“Would you pay 600,000 lives in a war to defend your right to slavery?”
No, and neither would the South. That is one very clear indicator that the war was not about slavery, but rather about the right to self-government.
“And who placed the ten year timestamp on the institution?”
It’s an approximation based on analysis of the progress of the industrial revolution, the condition of the soil, and many other factors. It is tendentious in the extreme to insist that slavery would have continued in the US while historical events were rendering it untenable throughout the western hemisphere.
“None, since none of the other slave holding countries launched a war to defend it.”
Sorry, you’re not entitled to your own facts. The South sought to secede, as they had every moral and legal right to do. Lincoln launched the war to deny them the exercise of their right to self-government. The point is that the other countries were able to pull it off without a war, and the US would have as well,
“Nobody is suggesting the U.S. invented slavery.”
People act like it. They act like the 89 years of black slavery in the United States were uniquely evil in human history, as though the Jews weren’t marched off to slavery in Egypt (and other places), as though the word “slav” didn’t mean “slave,” as though slavery hadn’t been practiced throughout the western hemisphere, as though the first sale of slaves in North America had not been held in Manhattan, as though black Africans didn’t practice slavery, as though American Indians didn’t practice slavery, as though a human being had no moral duty to see things within their proper context.
Slavery in America was just exactly as bad as it was—and no worse. Worse things have happened. To name two, the Holocaust and Stalin’s murder of the Ukrainians. Hell, Russian serfs were treated every bit as bad as American slaves, if not worse. (Hint: it was worse.)
The war was about northern legislators taxing the south to pay for the teeming masses in the large cities. Stealing, in other words. The north had no right to help themselves to the wealth of the South, and the South decided to end that abuse by seceding. Lincoln, and pretty much the entire north said, “No, we’re stealing your property, and if you don’t like it, we’ll kill you.”
I am sick unto death of every America-hating black and leftard going on as though American slavery was the worst thing that ever happened, and worse, as though it hadn’t ended 152 years ago.
Depends on who you listen to. The Confederate leadership considered Missouri and Kentucky to be part of their confederacy. Were they lying?
In other words, you don’t know, and you’re not thinking your way through to the implications of the fact that there were any black slavers.
Then by all means enlighten us. How many black slave owners were there?
No, the New York draft riot was started by a rumor that Lincoln was pursuing the war to free the slaves rather than to keep the Union together.
No, it was conscription. That's why they were called the "New York Draft Riots" and not the "New York Anti-Emancipation Riots".
If I ever make an argument like that, just shoot me.
I think it's a safe bet that you will never be in a position where you can end slavery. Or that you would even if you where.
Constitutionally he couldn’t suspend habeas corpus or wage war on the southern states, either...
That has never been ruled on.
He was quite willing to allow the institution of slavery to stand in return for a cessation in hostilities.
We don't know that for sure.
It was only when he saw that the slavery issue was not enough to satisfy the South, and that the Brits were not going to come in on the side of the South, that he let himself be pressured into the Emancipation Proclamation.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
This tells us that slavery was not the main issue for the South.
The Confederate leadership of the time would disagree with you. See reply 89.
No, and neither would the South.
And yet they did.
It’s an approximation based on analysis of the progress of the industrial revolution, the condition of the soil, and many other factors. It is tendentious in the extreme to insist that slavery would have continued in the US while historical events were rendering it untenable throughout the western hemisphere.
In other words it's a made up number that you pulled out of your...posterior.
Sorry, you’re not entitled to your own facts. The South sought to secede, as they had every moral and legal right to do. Lincoln launched the war to deny them the exercise of their right to self-government.
Blew right by that whole Fort Sumter thing didn't you? The point is that the other countries were able to pull it off without a war, and the US would have as well.
We will never really know since the South did launch a war to defend slavery and lost their slaves in the process.
The war was about northern legislators taxing the south to pay for the teeming masses in the large cities. Stealing, in other words. The north had no right to help themselves to the wealth of the South, and the South decided to end that abuse by seceding. Lincoln, and pretty much the entire north said, “No, we’re stealing your property, and if you don’t like it, we’ll kill you.”
Complete nonsense.