Posted on 04/12/2017 7:12:40 AM PDT by JayGalt
Normally, the ACLU promotes transparency in government and the ability of the public to access public records. But apparently that changes when transparency might reveal damaging information that hurts their opposition to President Trump’s common-sense, revised executive order temporarily suspending entry from six terrorist safe havens in the Middle East and Africa.
How else can one explain the ACLU’s criticism of a little-noticed provision in the executive order that requires the Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security to, among other things, report on the “number and types of acts of gender-based violence against women” in the U.S., like the “honor” killings committed by foreign nationals? That provision will also require public reporting on the number of foreign nationals charged/convicted of “terrorism-related offenses” or removed from the country for terrorism-related activities....snip... According to a recent Associated Press article, “multiple studies have concluded that immigrants are less likely to commit crime than native-born U.S. citizens.” But the issue isn’t non-citizens who are in this country legally, and who must abide by the law to avoid having their visas revoked or their application for citizenship refused. The real issue is the crimes committed by illegal aliens. And in that context, the claim is quite misleading...
(Excerpt) Read more at conservativereview.com ...
Once again, these statistics are not fully representative of crimes committed by illegal aliens: This report only reflects the criminal histories of aliens who were in prison. If there were a way to include all crimes committed by criminal aliens, the numbers would likely be higher because prosecutors often will agree to drop criminal charges against an illegal alien if they are assured that immigration authorities will deport the alien.
I posted this as background to evaluate and repudiate the claims of Jose Ramos referenced in an earlier thread.
Jose Antonio Vargas speaks on immigration, race and what it means to be an American http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3543415/posts
American women, like European women, must accept rape as the price they have to pay to have their country stolen from them..../s
Link doesn’t work
Thanks for telling me. I rechecked and repost above.
No problem. I wanted to read the remainder. I liked the part already posted.
You might ping the mod to correct the link.
The incarceration rate has mostly to do with class.
The likelihood of being charged with a crime, being able to receive a plea from the prosecutor, being convicted, the length of your sentence, and the likelihood of earlier parole all depend on how much money you have spend on a lawyer.
0bama said a few eggs need to be broken to make an omelette.
Sorry. Did you actually read the linked article or only the excerpted sections I posted to give an idea of the topic covered?
Bookmark.
Great info with links to immigrant “studies”
Yes, I did read the linked article, but was commenting only about reply #1.
You are abstracting a point that is irrelevant in the context of actually understanding the issue.
Your point is true, being connected will cushion you from some of the consequences of your actions. However trying to take that small truth and use it to deny the larger truth is disingenuous.
Illegal immigrants are not the only people who don’t have money or connections to get lawyers. Yet they are a disproportionate % of inmates. Most of the inmate statistics reflect multiple offenders. In those situations money & connections cease to matter because whoever you know you will be held accountable on strike 2 or 3.
Whatever the reasons illegal immigrants fill our prisons they should not be there, especially after multiple offenses. They should do their time & be deported or just be deported to their native countries, behind an effective border wall & security system.
Some illegal immigrants are here to work and they have a very low crime rate.
Some illegal immigrants are here only to commit crime. They were criminals in Mexico before they became criminals here.
Historically, illegals have always been circular. The come and go continuously.
But in recent years(since 2001), as more border enforcement has been implemented, the number of illegals in the country has risen. The more difficult the journey, the more likely the illegal is to stay permanently.
Additionally, the Hispanic population growth in the US has very little to do with illegals anymore. The US has a net migration rate of 4 per 1000 of population
We are arguing apples and oranges. I think that we have a subset of illegal aliens that are criminals, a subset that have made a mistake or two and a subset who are integrated and are a net gain to America.
I don’t agree with the statement that immigrants in general are more law abiding than the general American population for many reasons. That reflects only on criminals not on the law abiding. That are so many great reasons to have legal immigration. My grandparents immigrated at the turn of the century and built their lives here as did so many others. This was their country and is mine. Immigration has formed the America we know and love.
I don’t like the whole idea of judging people by a class, I believe in judging by actions. Still we have pesky facts. The prison population according to the stats is highly slanted toward Mexicans in particular. We can debate why but facts are facts.
The illegal immigrants on our welfare system and in our prisons are a net loss to our country and in the later case are a danger to our society. Both classes should be deported. I’d deport the American criminals too if there was some place to ship them but we can’t.
I stand ready to be flamed but the illegal immigrants who have integrated, speak our language, lead productive lives and are committed to America should have a path to permanent residency. They should have some penalty for the initial illegality whether it be in being denied full citizenship or a waiting time I leave to others to debate.
The middle group with minor infractions should be adjudged on an individual basis. Perhaps a drunk driving violation when 18yrs old in a now 30yr old man with a family, job etc can be weighed and a probationary status given.
I am also for allowing economic migrants to enter legally with work visas. The number of these visas would be a hot topic but if America wants abundant fruits & vegetables at a cost that will allow them to reach every table we will need migrant work visas.
Feasible is what congress does, and congress has never done anything that resembles what you say.
Looking at congress, there was 1986, 2006, and 2013.
In 1986 congress passed the legislation and Reagan signed it.
In 2006 the senate passed the legislation and even though there were enough votes in the House to pass it, it was not given a vote in the House because of the Hastert rule. If it had passed, Bush would have signed it.
Same in 2013. The senate passed it and even though there were enough votes in the House to pass it, the Hastert rule blocked it. And Obama would have signed.
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