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To: HamiltonJay

Iraq - fail
Afghan - fail
Lybia - fail
Ukraine - fail
Yemen - fail
Somalia - fail

since when have the neocons been right about anything ?


50 posted on 04/07/2017 8:47:21 AM PDT by vooch
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To: vooch

Iraq failed when Obama decided it was a good idea to abandon them and left a huge vacuum. Had we stayed and guided them, the operation would have succeeded. Whether it should have happened or not is subject to strong debate, but if you do something, you should finish it. We didn’t finish what we started.


53 posted on 04/07/2017 9:07:33 AM PDT by meyer (The Constitution says what it says, and it doesn't say what it doesn't say.)
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To: vooch

What is it you are arguing they are wrong about?

The Use of chemical weapons or that the world should not sit idly by and let their use go unchallenged?

I would prefer to see other nations join in punishing Assad, but reality is, the rest of the world has lived under the protecting of the US military might for so long their militaries are largely jokes incapable of protecting their own nations should they ever be invaded, UK and Germany are the only 2 militaries of consequence in Europe and they aren’t much.

I am not for a ground war in Syria, let alone one that is basically a proxy war with Russia. However if Putin isn’t going to keep his pekingese lapdog on a leash and let him use Chemical Weapons with impunity, what do you suggest the world do?

Too many years of Pussy Obama have numbed the nerves and addled brains of too many, even here. This is bigger than Assad and Syria... if Assad can use them with impunity it will simply embolden others like him, or worse to do so. What is allowed, is what will continue.

Assad is an evil man, no doubt, and I don’t support carte blanche removal of him by the international community, because we don’t need another failed state in the Middle East... Bush and OBama gave us Iraq.... Obama and Hillary gave us Libya... we don’t need to add Syria to that list. The reality is Obama Blew it with Syria and the entire Middle East when he embraced the “arab spring”... and turned what was a fustercluck into an incredible fustercluck.. he learned nothing for Carter’s fiasco with Iran, and doubled down on stupidity because his world view was one of leftist unicorns crapping rainbows. Syria is the mess it is today because of repeatedly bad policy decisions by the Obama administration...

From a purely US Security standpoint, in the broadest sense, I am fine if we bomb the crap out of everyone involved in that mess of a conflict and leave the nation in a bronze age technical state with Assad or someone else still in charge... We can obliterate a lot of islamofacists at the same time... sadly though this would mean a lot of innocent folks will die too.. but that’s the reality of war, all war.


60 posted on 04/07/2017 10:26:31 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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