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To: topher
Naval officers refusing to obey orders??? OK,they might respectfully express their *concerns* to their superiors but...
6 posted on 04/06/2017 9:47:55 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Deplorables' Lives Matter)
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To: Gay State Conservative
You can refuse to obey an order based on certain grounds.

This is not a combat situation. One does not have to obey an unlawful order. In the first Gulf War (1990's), there was an incident where an NCO ordered an enlisted person to give him sexual relief. The person disobeyed it because it was an unlawful order.

If you feel your life or the lives of others may be affected by training missions with unnecessary risks, it can be justified.

There were a number of incidents in the T-45 recently where pilots passed out from hypoxia.

If an aircraft does not pass ground inspection, a pilot could refuse to fly it (such as a GIANT crack in the wing).

9 posted on 04/06/2017 9:59:25 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The UCMJ does not mandate blind obedience to every order. Indeed if an order is unlawful, your duty is to disobey that order (i.e. an order to kill enemy wounded or otherwise commit a crime).

In this case, the pilots refused to fly an aircraft they have reasonable reason to believe is unsafe, hazarding their life and the lives of their students for no good reason. If their chain of command attempted to court martial them, that fact would provide an effective defense. The leadership realized that.

Military service involves placing your life on the line during combat or critical operations. But during training, safety is paramount, casualties during training are not available for the fight. Even SEAL training, the most intense the military offers, has limits. Which is why training deaths are rare throughout the armed forces.


12 posted on 04/06/2017 10:07:01 AM PDT by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
There is a serious problem. From the article:

“Histotoxic hypoxia” is the medical term associated with the disorientating disorder which can put pilots’ lives at risk, as well as those of civilians on the ground below. Two instructor pilots say the training jets are now averaging three incidents a week, as the Navy struggles to get to the bottom of the contamination.

Do you want jets falling out of the sky over residental neighborhoods?

The instructors had to boycott to get attention to this problem.

15 posted on 04/06/2017 10:11:45 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

On pre-flight Red X the airplane, that grounds it, do it to enough of them, problem will be solved.


18 posted on 04/06/2017 10:21:38 AM PDT by boomop1 (Term limits is the only way to change this failed government.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Taking up an unsafe aircraft could be considered an illegal order, not to be followed. I am a retired Army Officer, we have the duty not to obey illegal orders.


27 posted on 04/06/2017 12:14:02 PM PDT by Uncle Sam 911
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