VACCINE SKEPTICS RALLY IN D.C. TODAY AT A PROTEST HEADLINED BY ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.

Newsweek ^ | 3-31-2017 | Jessica Wapner

[CodeToad]

P.S. These are the same idiots that told us to ban CFCs because of the “ozone hole”. We did and the hole is still there. They stopped talking about it.

[markomalley]

Flu vaccines are about 60-70% effective. Not all viruses are the same. The flu virus mutates so rapidly it is hard to keep up with the latest strains since this virus jumps the species barrier so readily. Try not to get taken in by the Luddites. Snake oil has been selling for centuries and there is always a market for it.

In which case, a double blind study with a large enough sample size should clearly reveal that. Trouble is, they don't study that simple result.

Take, for example, this study:

Comparative Efficacy of Inactivated and Live Attenuated Influenza Vaccines (NEJM, 24 Sep 2009)

The results they reported are here:

You will note that they didn't have a control group (a group that received neither the placebo nor one of the vaccines). So how the hell can they say it's a valid study?

Next, where's the study showing the effect of living healthy (actually getting the right number of antioxidant vitamins, proper mineral balance, lifestyle choices) versus taking a vaccine? I've NEVER seen such a study. With or without a control group.

Bottom line is that I want to see independent studies. I'm not condemning this stuff out-of-hand, but there seem to be too many hands in too many pockets and too much fishiness.

[markomalley]

You are obviously not even the smartest person in the room when you are by yourself.

Nice burn...

[Neoliberalnot]

Mark, it’s an ethical issue when it comes to using human subjects. Are you going to volunteer? The study would also involve exposing all participants to an infectious dose of the specific strain of flu virus. By the way, I didn’t see you mention what strain of flu? How bout the 1918 flu strain that killed 60 million people.

Vaccine trials have been conducted with negative controls in animal models by the hundreds if not thousands. Search the literature for yourself. What is your training?

[Neoliberalnot]

Tell us your training. What is your family history? Here is a bit of information from the Mayo clinic.
Autism spectrum disorder affects children of all races and nationalities, but certain factors increase a child’s risk. They include:

Your child’s sex. Boys are about four times more likely to develop ASD than girls are.
Family history. Families who have one child with ASD have an increased risk of having another child with the disorder. It’s also not uncommon for parents or relatives of a child with ASD to have minor problems with social or communication skills themselves or to engage in certain behaviors typical of ASD.
Other disorders. Children with certain medical conditions have a higher than normal risk of ASD or ASD-like symptoms. Examples of these conditions include fragile X syndrome, an inherited disorder that causes intellectual problems; tuberous sclerosis, a condition in which benign tumors develop in the brain; the neurological disorder Tourette syndrome; and Rett syndrome, a genetic condition occurring almost exclusively in girls, which causes slowing of head growth, intellectual disability and loss of purposeful hand use.
Extremely preterm babies. Babies born before 26 weeks of pregnancy may have a greater risk of ASD.
Parents’ ages. There may also be a connection between children born to older parents and ASD, but more research is necessary to establish this link.

[azkathy]

“No, that’s what you do, you high school dropout.”

Now there is an intelligent response. You don’t know me from Adam and you sound like a typical liberal. Try to Alinsky me, silence those who disagree with you and throw out childish names like idiot.

Maybe you should check out some of these doctors, Doctors For Accountability in Medicine and Media available here http://www.honestyinmedia.org/

[Parmy]

Well, when I and millions of other kids were growing up in the '50's, polio was real and devastating. We were lined up by the thousands and vaccinated.

Guess what! Polio, the scourge of children and young adults was wiped out, that is, until we allowed open borders and unvaccinated people in.

In my day, what is now being called autism was being 'spacey'. Most of the kids I knew grew out of it.

[gov_bean_ counter]

FR mail.

[azkathy]

“Tell us your training. What is your family history?”

Nice that you want to get to know me now. Sorry, I will have to give you the training and vital statistics info later.

I have an adventure to go on that involves getting some sunshine and a ride in the Arizona back country. Some of my fellow freepers will probably be able to provide some of the peer reviewed papers that are now receiving attention since we have a new President that is actually willing to acknowledge there is a problem with vaccines.

All I have to add is don’t blindly follow recommendations made by a corrupt government and doctors who are unwilling to study, research and “first do no harm.” Don’t wait until your child or your grandchild becomes one of the statistics, wake up now and realize that the immunizations we were given as children are not the same as the ones being given now.

If you follow the current (2017) CDC Childhood Immunization Schedule, your children will receive over 36 vaccines by the time they are 6 years of age. In fact, the schedule is so lengthy for children and adolescents that it would be impossible to copy it all into this thread but here’s a link for you. (Detailed description of the 2017 CDC Childhood Immunization Schedule – Ref: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html)

[Neoliberalnot]

So, you write all that but can’t simply state your degrees and family history of autism?

[Yaelle]

Awesome.

[Yaelle]

You can’t get Autism if you’re dead from Polio.

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The kind of enteroviruses (there could be very many of them, not sure there is even a finite number) which COULD have the sequela of losing control of your limbs will never be fully prevented. There is one going around now. “Polio” was a name given to one known one.

Most people who got that enterovirus didn’t even know they were sick. They may have had an evening or a couple days not feeling so well. Or nothing they noticed.

Why did some people go on to get the full debilitation, and some not? We don’t know but there is some evidence that benign deficient in vitamin D MIGHT contribute.

There is only a vaccination for that one well known enterovirus. It is not very possible to vaccinate against them all. The enterovirus causing “polio like” paralysis today has no such vaccine.

[momincombatboots]

Having taken a cursory glimpse into epigenetics.. I would say hold the stakes and tar for now. We now know genes are heavily influenced by environment, in fact, turning off and on over our lives.. mutating. There could be any number of reasons.. I say autism started less than two generations after herding children by the billions into institutionalizeddrugs education is just as likely to be a suspect. Institutionalizing people changes them, dramatically. If you have biochem changes, then hormonal changes, then epegenesis? What a crazy cycle.
Could just be our genetic code has a limited life span before denigrating into the blob, zombies... ok, so that is my winky, wink theory.

[Yaelle]

Everyone who is unhappy with the level of “true science” in these primitive vaccines wants studies for ALL OF THEM like what you describe. Long term as well.

They don’t happen.

Almost all studies on vaccines are conducted with people who have vested interests.

[Yaelle]

Are you marching behind Robert Kennedy? Lemmings over the cliff, lol. Good luck with that.

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Many people cling to vaccines as if because the government and people who wear white coats are our masters and have our best interests at heart always.

[Dagnabitt]

Hopefully, Kennedy and his parade of loons won’t hurt too many children with their anti-medicine, pro-disease nonsense.

[Brilliant]

Exactly.

[TWhiteBear]

‘You can’t get Autism if you’re dead from Polio.’

The ‘People For More Polio And Now’ are organizing for a members only wheelchair race. That will occur when the guys are over mumps.
Yes to research.
Yes to moderation,
Yes to good nutrition and health practices.
No to nut case hysteria.
Correlation is not causality.
TWB

[Yaelle]

Infants do not have an immune system. They are gaining one through their skin on skin, drinking her milk connects to their mother (not guaranteed at all in today’s daycare, formula fed babies). Connection to the sun with their naked bodies also plays a part, again, not happening much these days (babies need 1000 in vitamin d in a drop a day).

What we now know about the gut bacteria population is so amazing. Which bugs each person has populating their gut makes the difference for that person between health and illness.

Could this be why one baby is neurologically destroyed for life, and the other appears to have no harmful effects after a neurotoxic bath of ingredients is injected into his bloodstream? (Of course, that second baby cold end up with Parkinson’s at 70, possibly because of cumulative neurotoxins, began with that antenatal assault.)

We don’t test babies’ gut biomes before we inject them. That might help decide who could handle vaccines and who couldn’t. We are not acting in accordance with science. It’s like asking a chef to cook in a strange kitchen in the dark. Or your surgeon to do your surgery blind. What is going on now is NOT SCIENCE.

Don’t let the white coats and government agencies fool you.

No infant should be vaccinated before age one. And all should have their bacterial biomes tested first. All should be on a specific probiotic diet before a vaccine. Vaccines should be given singly. Vaccines should LOSE the adjuvants, metals, and preservatives currently used. They would necessitate a week long forces for each of the dozens given. That would be scientific, safe, and guanratee health of the child.

Under a year, babies should be at home with one loving care person most of the time, and fed according to biology as close as possible.

Now,THAT would be using the scientific method as well as the knowledge we have gained up to 2017.

[palmer]

Over $3.6 billion in federal compensation has already been paid out in awards to vaccine injured victims

That's all true and vaccines are far more dangerous than the threat of most diseases they prevent. The reason they are required by policy and by law is herd immunity. If you decline vaccination for your child you avoid around a 1 in 100,000 chance of serious injury. You also avoid a 4 to 20 parts per billion level of mercury in their blood (separate from the serious injury stats). You only add a 1 in 1,000,000 or as low as 1 in 10,000,000 risk of disease.

OTOH if enough people decline vaccination the risk of disease goes way up, far higher than the risk of vaccine injury. IOW, you are taking a higher risk with vaccination but doing it as a public service.