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To: ForYourChildren

A hunter needs a gun and knowledge of habits and organ placement of animals... and liberals want to give those keys to government unfetered in perversion in the Garden of Eden

Paul Ryan is a sick individual


15 posted on 03/22/2017 5:53:01 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: JudgemAll

For the zillionth time, and frankly you all know it but are just posturing for NO REAL REASON, Ryan is constrained by what can pass the Senate.

Let’s all repeat that. Ryan is constrained by what can pass the Senate.

He can do a Pelosi and send a bill over that CANNOT pass, but that wastes time. Instead, he’s learning from her fiasco in 2010 and not eating up weeks sending over a bill that cannot get past the 60 vote requirement.

This doesn’t make him evil. It doesn’t make him a vile left wing plant. It makes him efficient.

Oh, and before y’all blab how you don’t need 60, I’ll paste reality:

In the interests of putting some things to bed:

1) No, Mike Pence can’t ignore the Parliamentarian. This would be the mechanism in effect of making all bills budget reconciliation bills. That obviously is just a way to kill the filibuster in the Senate. It would not get even 10 votes. That’s why this proposal has already been dismissed as a non starter.

2) You can stop filibuster in ways not requiring 60 votes? No. You can’t. People are saying this via the Two Speech Rule. Senators are limited to 2 speeches per legislative day on a given subject. So glory be, you can require them to talk, they’re only allowed to talk twice and you shut them down without 60 votes! Bullshit. Completely wrong.

Senators are allowed to offer amendments to a bill. They can then give two speeches on each amendment. A minority can propose zillions of amendments. You CAN limit the number of amendments (NO senators like being limited in amendments) but then if you do that, senators can raise points of order and give two speeches on those. No limit on points of order.

Here’s discussion of this from 2010, when the Dems were raging at the power of the GOP filibusters.

https://shadowproof.com/2010/02/12/talking-filibuster-enforcing-%E2%80%9Ctwo-speech-rule%E2%80%9D-will-not-fix-broken-senate/

Bottom line: THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. If there were a way around 60 votes that does not constrain to Reconciliation, the Dems would have used it. There is nothing new under the sun in all this. The GOP is not going to discover any genius maneuver. The Dems would have discovered it in 2010 if there were.

The Filibuster is what spared the country from a single payer Canada NHS style healthcare plan. Only the Filibuster and Scott Brown stopped that. You will not find even 10 votes to kill the Filibuster for non USSC issues.


19 posted on 03/22/2017 5:57:28 PM PDT by Owen
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