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To: Senator Goldwater

hmmm, I not in agreement with that statement. How something can be a “right” when it requires the time, skill and resources of others makes no sense to me.

Do I want health care to be affordable and easily accessible while not discriminatory? Of course, I also want medicine to advance, which takes $$$.


32 posted on 03/17/2017 10:26:15 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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You guys are enshrouding yourself in delusion. It’s like you’re presented with facts and when they don’t fit your desires, you decide they aren’t facts.

Turn back the clock. Not to 2010. To about 2002. 2003. Remember the Iraqi War Supplemental Funding bills to pay for it? Remember how the Dems had the votes to obstruct it?

They didn’t. Their base SCREAMED at them. They could have filibustered every defense bill that had those supplementals in it. They didn’t.

Why? Because troops would die. People would die. Americans would die.

There is no difference today. Obamacare is not going to implode, collapse, die, fail, or any other description you want. It’s in the budget. It can’t be defunded individually for the same reason as above. People will die. People WILL truly die.

So there has to be a replace. Going back to where we were 8 yrs ago faces 8 yrs of medical inflation, 8 years of population growth, 8 years of falling labor participation rate (fewer people with employer based healthcare). The past is gone. It’s not coming back.

Ryan is unpopular, but he’s right. We will never get closer than this to killing Obamacare. And Obamacare will never die on its own. It will always get funded.

Believe it, no one hated Iraqi funding on the left less than the right hates Obamacare, but they never stopped the supplementals. No one would stop funding Obamacare, either.

This is it. Tweak it, improve it. Vote it out of the House. The Senate can amend it, with the Parliamentarian sitting at their sides. Get it passed. Celebrate having a DO SOMETHING Congress. Reward the Trump voters in the Rust Belt. Without them, there will be no re-election.


35 posted on 03/17/2017 10:37:16 AM PDT by Owen
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To: fuzzylogic

I don’t disagree with your definition, but perhaps I should’ve emphasized access to health care should not be denied at the time of treatment if there is no means to pay for it.

I was trying to differentiate between health care, which is accessible to all, and health insurance, which is the responsibility of the patient and not the provider.


51 posted on 03/19/2017 6:24:46 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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