Posted on 03/13/2017 7:25:27 PM PDT by Stopthethreat
The much-maligned Obamacare replacement bill will face its biggest test so far on Thursday, as a House of Representatives committee filled with conservatives could derail the legislation backed by Speaker Paul Ryan before it gets to the House floor.
If four Republicans join Democrats in voting against the bill in the House Budget Committee, the legislation will fail.
The uncertainty comes as the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released its estimate on the bill. It predicted Monday that 24 million people would lose health coverage by 2026 but that there would be a cut to the federal budget deficit of $337 billion over the first decade.
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At least seven Republican members of the Budget Committee have made public statements in the past week indicating they want a full repeal of Obamacare, but it’s unclear whether four of them will decide to go out on a limb and vote no.
One of them, Mark Sanford of South Carolina, joined Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul at a news conference last week to slam the legislation as a dereliction of the Republican Party’s campaign promises.
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Doggone right! Well said, Jim 0216.
This obsession with healthcare insurance is wrongheaded IMO. The healthcare insurance phenomenon was launched and exacerbated in the 70’s by government who began to
1) force companies to carry insurance for their employees, hence those hideous HMO’s that everyone hated, and
2) award extreme awards for winners of malpractice suits, thus directly driving up medical costs.
Laissez faire (the free market) and tort reform are needed to remedy these and get healthcare back on solid ground.
This insurance thing is really pretty wacko. Insurance is designed for you to lose and the insurance company to win. When you buy insurance, you bet against yourself. Insurance companies pay actuaries big bucks to make sure the odds are in their favor. Why not? Otherwise they would go out of business. The idea that the federal government could actually unconstitutionally force you to buy insurance is beyond atsonishing.
Good point. If the purists had their way during the primaries, Hillary Clinton would be sitting in the White House right now and we wouldn’t even be discussing the repeal of Obamacare because it simply wouldn’t have a chance of happening. Besides, we’d have much bigger things on our plate to worry about. Such as Barack Obama on the Supreme Court.
I was just wondering, if the rinos somehow allow the 2015 bill (simply abolishing zerocare) to pass, what will they do to declare victory ala Pelousy walking down the street with a giant gavel in her hand?
Any suggestions?
If Ryan is serious about a three phase plan, he should have the second and third phases already making their way through the pipeline to passage. Talking about them in concept form is just dreaming out loud.
Phase 1 ought to be done in the next couple of weeks, and phases 2 and 3 before Labor Day.
What the GOP is trying to do is the same thing the Democrats did, give everyone health insurance, without them having to pay for it.
Government-speak: "It's free".
Reality: You pay massively for it.
Government speak: "Its cost is lower, thus, 'affordable'.
Reality: Its cost is higher, thus unaffordable.
Common sense tell you that when a third party (the feds) inserts itself into a transaction, the transaction will cost more because you're also going to have to pay the third party. In this case, the third party interference of the feds would require massive skyrocketing costs in the creation of more new, bloated, useless, and unconstitutional federal bureaucracies. Common sense.
Please God may it be so.
Kill it.
I'm very much in agreement with you.
When Obamacare hinged on the Supreme Court decision as to whether it was a tax or a mandate,it seemed to be an all or nothing proposition.
The administration at that time argued that it was a tax not an individual mandate.
If this decision could be revisited and revised with the current administrations lack of support, is it possible to kill Obamacare at its very root (as in no authority for an individual mandate)?
Yes, it is possible to kill Obamacare at its very root, as in no authority for federal interference in healthcare or healthcare insurance.
The current congress could clarify that it was originally intended to be a mandate and not a tax, let them debate THAT in the House and Senate!
Go back to the Mr Smith goes to Washington filibuster rules and be done with it. Get recugnized by the chair (or not), make your point as LM g as you have breath, win the point ( or not), and vote like statesmen. The ‘Cloture vote’ rules are like trading in free agency, cutting deals for future draft picks. Most Unstatesmanlike.
BTTT
How about this send bills over to the senate to repeal it all of it. Let the Democrats own it and destroy them in the midterms - Let it die inform IRS not to enforce.
Send a bill of market friendly reforms over to the Senate.
We can't do what we want because of a minority in the Senate so we have to make it passible to them - this is idoitic logic.
Ryan is a loser and needs to go - terrible leader with such bad judgement and transparent BS solutions. It is because of the like of him and Cronibus I'm off the republican reservation - boy has it been nice.
A huge ideological change has occured and a realignment is ongoing - most people who would be classified as repulblican hate the GOP and think the Senate is feckless (perhaps I project).
If the Senate gets to intransigent - shutdown the govenment - no CR
Agree with everything you say - due to 5 or so decades of government weaving itself into the healthcare system, I have trouble seeing it happen as a clean break, especially with the RINOs/GOPe involved. Not to mention that a clan break will also cause many a lot of grief/harm because they have been set up by the government to be its wards and have no concept of fending for themselves. When government creates a problem, it immediately sets about creating hundreds more as “fixes” while it makes itself an inseparable part of the system it corrupts..
Trump’s Rasmussen approval rating has absolutely tanked since he signed onto this ObamaCare-lite monstrosity. Can he learn from it? Will he?
The problem with a “phase-out” is government is like a stubborn animal and will refuse to go any further once you stop. They tend to lie and the turn-over in government means nobody’s responsible for a previous commitment.
We’ve seen before that immediate moves for less government might cause some short-term pain, not unlike the pain of an alcoholic going cold turkey. But it is literally a life-saving move. Getting government out of healthcare as soon as possible would be a great benefit to the vast majority. Freedom isn’t perfect but it’s way ahead of whatever’s in second place.
Also, getting the feds back into their constitutional cage - their healthcare interference being unconstitutional - is critically important as soon as possible for the same reasons to recover our nation.
Sometimes you need to just do what you know is right regardless of the hues and cries - not unlike the way Obama in the opposite direction did what was wrong regardless. The resistance to what’s necessary to whittle the feds down to their constitutional size and activities will be met with such resistant that it will be a miracle. Ultimately only God can orchestrate such a miracle. But He’s done it before with America and he’ll do it again.
Even if this sorry attempt to “amend” O-care collapses, it will turn out to be some very purtrid egg on the GOP’s face, whether RINO or not. It tarnishes the brand MUCH more than allegedly a full repeal ever could.
It is astonishing how many smart people in business tend to be somewhat ignorant about the value and power of the market economy free from government interference. I feel like Trump sort of gets it but sort of doesn’t. I feel like he holds on to the idea, like so many on the Right do, that somehow government helps the market economy.
It’s really test of one’s belief in individual freedom from government coercion to do what one chooses. I think belief in freedom and faith in God are inseparable. Even the Bible says, “Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty” (2 Corinthians 3:17). The opposite is also true. Where there is faith in man instead of God, there is tyranny and misery.
Does Trump REALLY believe in individual freedom over government control? Do we? We know that generally the GOP does not. It’s going to take a lot to free us from the tyranny of unconstitutional federal government. It will take God himself to recover our Free Constitutional Republic but I think that is exactly what He is doing, miraculously.
As far as Trump goes, I think he’s going to undergo some changes, including some faith changes, and he and we will come out better for it.
LOL!
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