Posted on 03/13/2017 12:54:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
The only way I'd be happy with a non repeal of Obamacare is if the president and the secretary can snip the unconstitutional monopolistic strings that prohibit free enterprise from providing competing solutions. Someone suggested leaving Obamacare basically intact for those who choose to provide or subscribe to it, but allow new free market solutions to rise up and compete. That's not a bad idea to break the stalemate.
My understanding is the Obamacare law leaves many decisions for the president and the HHS secretary to make. During the rollout and throughout the remaining years of Obama's term, the president and the secretary made many, many changes and adjustments to the plan without requiring congressional approval. This is the precedent. So the current president and the current secretary should exercise that precedent and their constitutional and legal authority to make further adjustments to make healthcare more affordable and available to more people at less cost to the government and less cost to the people. The left shouldn't be allowed to win a constitutional argument against covering more people with more choices and less cost and less government intrusion, ie, more freedom with free markets. That's the American way.
For example, they should gently snip any unconstitutional prohibitions on existing or new insurance companies from starting NEW free market plans to compete with existing government mandated plans.
Nothing illegal or unconstitutional there.
Next, very carefully snip any mandate that says individuals must be covered by a government approved plan rather than a new free market plan of their choice. Likewise, carefully snip any mandate that prohibits employers from providing free markets plans of their choice to their employees. Snip the mandates on what must be covered by NEW free market plans. Let the buyers and sellers negotiate coverage plans. Snip any unconstitutional mandate the prohibits nationwide competition (commerce). Snip any government prohibition on associations forming groups to negotiate insurance plans. Snip any prohibition on health savings plans. Let the congress set up provisions for individual health savings plans. Let the congress make health care premiums tax deductible, if they wish, for individuals, entrepreneurs and small business.
Nothing illegal or unconstitutional there.
Let the decisions on what is covered and the price of coverage be freely negotiated between willing buyers and sellers.
Novel approach, eh? LOL. Think it'd pass constitutional muster? You betcha.
Sure, they'd fight like hell in court. But the president should fight back like hell. He'll have the people and the constitution on his side and he will win.
You have posted the SAME link to the same “3 pronged approach” to me THREE times now! The other two being in your earlier vanity, in which you posted it a dozen times or so. You remind me of a FReeper who used to post the same line over and over about bringing jobs back................now. It gets to be like a broken record. I suspect you’re the type who must have the last word or something. It’s like that thread about a week ago in which you refused to try CALLING your phone when placed in a refrigerator (as a not so good Faraday Cage) while the person you were arguing with patiently tried over and over and over to explain that to you. You just wanted to argue over semantics. I call you a troll.
Don’t want to argue over semantics, well, yeah, I do, I’d say he’s a shill not a troll.
Trolls usually just want to disrupt or hijack threads, whereas shills try to convince us to try the turd sandwich.
The Sixteenth Amendment (Amendment XVI) to the United States Constitution allows the Congress to levy an income tax without apportioning it among the states or basing it on the United States Census.
and they passes this travesty as applying only to the top 2% of the RICH in America
where has that gotten us. Once a law is in place the Commies of all stripes will modify it as they see fit
And now we are being told to Bend over once more. God! it feels so good to get the shaft
That was me!
Even though US health-care is a huge expensive, corrupt, inefficient hairball of complexity, there are huge entrenched interests who feed from it - from millions of Americans who expect Fed.gov freebies, to crony-capitalist insurance companies, to government employees, to providers of all kinds who simply know nothing else. You can't attack this system head on. Continue to fund it, for the near future, as present
Therefore, simply incentivize and allow a parallel system to develop alongside. A system where doctors and patients negotiate direct payments themselves. Free-market clinics where providers have total freedom to decide which patients they see, and which insurance they accept, if any. Incentivize them through preferable tax regimes, establishment with tax-free "zones," reduced regulation, allowance of any group, church or social organization to establish a health co-op easily and with limited red-tape. In sum, let a free system develop.
You will quickly find that it will force prices lower for BOTH systems, as a free-market reference for price and quality is established.
The constitution does not delegate the power to “take care of the people” to the federal government. It’s therefore reserved to the states and the people by the tenth amendment.
Preexisting conditions is a bear. If government wants to get involved it would have to be at the local and state levels.
Funny, they had the votes in 2015.
There is no three-pronged approach. There is no phase 2 or phase 3. What you see is what you get.
You know how Ryan and McConnell lie.
It’s pathetic and treasonous. Ryan is a Trump-hating GOPe globalist snake and he’s doing all he possibly can to torpedo the president’s agenda.
Credit Card companies work across state lines. They have to do some things differently in different states to keep them happy. States smartly try to get out of their way when they can.
Cell phone companies work across state lines. I do not sign up with Verizon of Ohio or Tennessee, I sign up with Verizon. There are quirks of the states they have to observe but there is a national market.
Here’s another idea to add to my other above:
Do not only cross state lines: CROSS TIME LINES !
Why are terms of insurance arbitrarily 1 year starting 1/1/xxxx and running through 12/31/xxxx ???
All that does is make a lot of work pile up at certain times of year. It is a MESS with medication coverage, etc. The plans have to re-sell themselves annually right when no one wants to deal with it, holidays. And it results in a bunch of changes that do not need to happen annually.
Why not run it like a credit card? Or like cell phones? They do not cancel your card or your phone annually, and then make you sign up again on a different plan they concocted.
No, when they want to change something they send out a notice, give you the chance to switch or stay.
Run insurance continuously and and change it when needed with adequate notice.
GET EMPLOYERS OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF PURCHASING YOUR FOOD (oops, I meant insurance, both are not appropriate to delegate to your employer).
Since progressives think that people are so irresponsible (and some are) and if their employers does not buy insurance then the employee will not do it, even if he or she is given the money for it. Employees given that money will spend it on a party, right? That’s one rationale for making employers collect taxes also.
But if they have to spend their own money they will be more careful with it. THAT IS FREE MARKET. If we do not get people spending their own money on things to get the value they want than we will not have the powerful leverage of the free market working. This is MANDATORY.
Maybe the employer just funds a health savings acct every month, pre-tax, and each person can use that money to buy insurance and incidentally can accumulate money to spend tax free on co-pays and deductibles. All medical expenses should be 100% deductible all the time.
When people move or change jobs nothing happens to their coverage, except that just like with car insurance, there is a price adjustment made to the premiums for the predicted costs in the area you live in. Same as cars. San Francisco = expensive premium! Texas = not as expensive.
We have to get employers out of buying insurance.
RinoCare is not even close to the free market and is not going to lead there in two more “prongs.” The Gruberized Fascist core will remain and corrupt.
Exactly.
Obama gave Obamacare waivers to certain unions as well as to certain Democratic politicians and their staff. Trump should give Obamacare waivers to everyone.
Yes, but Trump is the boss. And he’s way smarter then they are.
Not about me. It’s Trump’s plan,it’s on the WH web site. Is he lying?
“It’s like that thread about a week ago in which you refused to try CALLING your phone when placed in a refrigerator (as a not so good Faraday Cage) while the person you were arguing with patiently tried over and over and over to explain that to you.”
Wow. I DID call THREE DIFFERENT PHONES - none of them activated like that person said they would. Re-read the discussion.
You - “A powered down cell phone can be activated in a refrigerator. Try it. Put yours in the fridge and see if you can call it.”
I did, with three different phones, you were wrong. They didn’t activate.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3532641/posts?page=62#62
The fix will be in: They will pass the good stuff, then remove it in Phases 2 & 3, leaving only the bad.
For example, they should gently snip any unconstitutional prohibitions on existing or new insurance companies from starting NEW free market plans to compete with existing government mandated plans.
Thank you for voicing this. May Trump read this most important workaround if we do get stuck with a Ryancare plan. Obama set the precedent for post-passing tinkering, and we want a free market opened up to compete with a government insurance deal.
This makes me a little happier about the whole thing.
You’ve stated a number of times to different people “it’s not me”. Well, you just attributed your previous argument about the cell phone thing to having argued with me. THAT was not me. It was somebody else being VERY patient with you. I knew better than to engage you back then, because I’m not patient enough, and I deliberately avoided that argument. So don’t go saying “You - “A powered down cell phone...” when it wasn’t me, because it wasn’t. I was simply an observer. I genuinely wish I hadn’t engaged you in your vanity earlier today. My bad. I certainly won’t forget. :)
Take anything in the super market, for example, eggs. A huge number of people buy eggs. A relatively small percent buy with food stamps those same eggs.
Where else can you get a dozen of anything, cleaned, packaged, shipped, shelved, priced, registered, and bagged for little more than a dollar?
Absolutely. Free, fair markets work.
No frills clinics are the wave of the future. My doc prefers a clean transaction between himself and patient. Much easier for him than the enormously expensive paperwork route of insurance companies and/or government.
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