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To: Wissa
We live in an imperfect world. There is no government among men that can be created that will ensure that all is right and fair in the world. To put it simply, government is not the answer to everything. In fact, it is, as Reagan said, not the solution; it is the problem. Communities must be free to establish their own standards and enforce them. If you don't agree with or like the standards, then move to a different community. But any government that prevents a community from protecting its own standards, values, and people is doing a great disservice to the people it is supposed to serve. If people come into your community intent on destroying it, whether through violence or through destruction of your culture, you should act to prevent them, or else simply roll over and watch your community die or be enslaved.

As for what type of country the USA is, I will say this: The USA was never designed to be the world's whore. The idea that foreign peoples and cultures should be able to come into the country at will, unchecked, act against American culture and people and be protected in this destruction by the US Constitution, or some other less-tangible concept such as "The US is a nation of immigrants!!!" is laughable at best, and deliberately subversive at worst. Just as any woman has the right to protect her dignity and decide who will and will not be allowed passage into her holy land, the USA, as a nation and a collection of communities, has the right to protect its dignity and virtue. Having groups of people publicly mocking foundational cultural elements of the USA is like being groped on the street, skirt lifted, panties yanked down. A swift and, if necessary, violent response is fully warranted in such a situation and to argue that bending over and accepting the abuse is more in-line with some intangible idea of what kind of country you want the US to be is beyond foolhardy. I want the world to be a place where nobody feels pain, everybody is nice, and fairies throw happy glitter from atop rainbows, but if I walk in the world believing that fantasy I'll end up face down in the gutter vomiting blood inside of an hour.

A fact that is overlooked and glossed over by the "that's not the kind of country we are" crowd: Americans up until less than 100 years ago had no compunction whatsoever about kicking the hell out of disruptors such as those in the article. In fact, our history is replete with some very brutal examples. It is an unfortunate side effect of living in such a fallen world, but it is often the only way to protect what good there is.
78 posted on 03/11/2017 5:02:04 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak
You made a well thought out reply. In a lot of ways I'd probably agree with you.

However, I also suspect that most of the people who would participate in beating the anti-Christians (or applaud those doing the beating) would also be the same ones most outraged at Christians in other countries being treated in a similar fashion.

If you're arguing that a culture is justified by principle in physically assaulting those they feel are a threat to that culture until they cease being a threat, then you'd side with the Christians being persecuted in Muslim countries and in Communist countries, and believe the Nazis were justified in trying to get all the Jews out of Germany by beating them and destroying their net worth until they self-deported (pre-war). I'd bet though that you're like most everybody else, principles take a back seat to whether or not it is YOUR ox being gored.

Christianity won out in ancient Rome (and then around most of the western world) not because they beat their opponents into submission, but because their ideas were better.

If some bunch of Satan worshipers (or more likely in this case a bunch of atheists having fun getting a rise out of Christians) would have much impact and that it is necessary to beat and shun the nonbelievers would pretty much be an admission that Christianity can't stand on it's own without enforcement by physically beating those who would dare to mock it.

Those that argue that since the Muslims use those tactics, that Christians should also do the same thing, are arguing that we should strive to copy those we have the least regard for.

IMO, the problem in America isn't a lack of beatings. It is that a particular religion is being given preference by the decision makers. Companies/schools/etc are all being forced to kowtow to Islam in ways that we would not accept for any other religion.

80 posted on 03/11/2017 6:31:58 PM PST by Wissa (Cats don't make long-term plans.)
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