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To: Tzimisce

There was a boom during the 50’s and 60’s under Moonbeam’s father building infrastructure as the article said and a lot of middle class style houses were built during that time. The article states he spent 20% on building whereas Moony only spends 3% which ain’t cuttin’ it.

One third of all welfare money in the nation goes to California. That’s a huge problem. The article also stated 144,000 well to do people in the state of 40 million people pay half the taxes. That’s also unacceptable. As it also says; CA and IL are both extremely vulnerable to another recession and would get hit the hardest of all states.

This all means CA is putting up this big facade about how great it’s doing but in reality it looks more like Mexico with only 2 classes; the very rich and the poor. The middle class is fading to black very soon. I think it’s mostly retirees who make $5k or more a month and pay a lot in property and other taxes holding the state up. As they die off and that income base disappears the 3rd leg of the tripod state will cause a slow motion state wide recession which will have ripple through the rest of the world economy just because CA IS the worlds 6th largest economy. It’s a huge nightmare just waiting to happen.

It’s liberal leftist utopia mindset is what will eventually ruin CA. If I lived there I would be doing research and applying for work in other states just to get out of there. When it crashes next time it will be a really bad one that won’t bounce back in 10 years like it did this time. Of course we don’t want to see any liberals leave CA; only conservatives and other right leaning folks. Too many states have already been Kalifornicated.


6 posted on 03/11/2017 2:00:35 AM PST by Boomer (The modern day leftist dems are the party of criminally insane propagandists.)
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To: Boomer

I think that those pushing Calexit would disagree with you.

According to their website (http://www.yescalifornia.org/), California is the 6th largest economy in the world. Is it? I think it was 30 years ago, but I do not think that is true any more.

That website claims that California is subsidizing the rest of the US. Well, I guess if you don’t count little things like the massive welfare pouring into the state, sure.

That website lists quite a few problems, along with some seriously unrealistic utopian blathering. The problems (poor education, crumbling infrastructure) are self-inflicted. The authors of the site feel that the military is unneeded, and that if CA would secede, no one would have a reason to attack them. Yet CA is prime real estate; do they really think that Mexico wouldn’t move immediately to try to reclaim that property? Especially with illegal aliens setting up shanties, presumably all over the state (I saw them in the Bay Area)?

In a way, I would like to see a Calexit, just to see the state succumb to the lies of socialism that much faster. But that would cause problems for the US down the road. Would the US really want to have to go back in and fix CA after unopposed socialism ruins it? Would the US be willing to go to war with Mexico to protect an independent CA?

I’d love to see CA broken into two or three states rather than secede. That would dilute its disproportionate effect on national elections. In addition, I could move back to a conservative area and not have to worry about the kook areas of San Francisco and LA. I left CA for the second time 13 years ago...I love the state that I grew up in, but not what it has become.


8 posted on 03/11/2017 3:09:34 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Boomer
144,000 well to do people in the state of 40 million people pay half the taxes

I heard or read somewhere that 20,000 wealthy people in the city of New York pay most of the taxes in either New York state or New York city (sorry for the ambiguity). Similar situation, and sort of surprising. It would serve both states right if those people moved somewhere that they weren't taxed to death.

14 posted on 03/11/2017 4:55:56 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Freedom Trumps Fascism)
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To: Boomer
I think you mean there was a boom despite moonbeam's father whose wonderful stewardship made Ronald Reagan possible.
28 posted on 03/11/2017 8:55:29 AM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Boomer

It’s a socialist state.

Karl Marx HATED the middle class.

Every idea he had was for GETTING RID of the middle class.

You can’t use his ideas - not open borders, not high income taxes, not free education for all - none of it to help the middle class.

But middle class Marxists keep voting for it.

California is a Socialist state.
It is a Marxist utopia.


31 posted on 03/11/2017 1:49:51 PM PST by Tzimisce
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