Posted on 03/10/2017 6:58:05 AM PST by pgkdan
Americans who work, support themselves and do not take government subsidies are not the beneficiaries of this Obamacare repeal — or, that is, this Republican “replacement.”
The Earned Income Tax Credit isn't enough of my money going to parasites? This makes me sick to my stomache.
There’s disparity between non-taxed employer provided plans and taxed plans individuals buy. They are trying to level that playing field. There are three ways to do it, tax employer based plans, give a tax credit to individuals buying coverage, or require ALL INDIVIDUALS to buy heath insurance INDIVIDUALLY like car insurance.
Which do you prefer?
This is one thing Roberts got right in his decision. Of course it's a tax. It's administered by the IRS, isn't it?
Option #2 is B.S. Leveling the playing field between employer plans and individual plans would involve a tax deduction for the individual plan, not a tax credit.
Ok change it to tax deduction.
Which do you prefer?
Do you have an employer based HC plan?
Here is one case where I think the GOP effort will fall flat on its face, and the 30% surcharge will often be waived.
If I'm completely healthy and I'm beyond that 63-day window, what incentive do I have to sign up for an insurance plan? I can easily envision a scenario where insurers get so desperate to enroll new, healthy customers that they start waiving that 30% surcharge just to attract new customers who recognize this as a total scam unless you have a pre-existing condition.
This reminds me of a conversation I had with a car dealer years ago when I was buying my first new car. He gave me a price that wasn't what I was willing to pay, so I got up to walk out the door.
"You're not going to get a better price from another dealer," he said.
"You're not competing against another dealer," I said. "I'm either going to buy the car for the price I'm willing to pay, or I'm going to keep driving that old piece of crap parked out there until next year's models come out."
I got the car (an SUV) for the exact price I wanted to pay.
I’d prefer Option #2 — as a tax deduction. I’m OK with Option #3, but only if done at the state level.
Ryan knows Trump needs the R&R bill so he exploited the situation to shove through this POS. This is a rat bill from a gang of rinos. It doesn’t even rid us of the “Cadillac” tax. Ryan thinks he has Trump over a barrel. let’s not forget Ryan took money from Soros. Maybe Trump can find a way around him.
Again everyone is talking about the wrong things.
The topic of discussion should be:
Can the government fix the medical industry or would the industry be better off if the government repealed obummer care and devoted its attention to those things which only the government can do.
If you wonder what that might be, read the Constitution.
The government can not regulate the medical industry/profession. It is too complex.
No. I've had them for most of my life, but I'm self-employed so I'm considered an "individual" for insurance purposes.
This bill is a hot mess. Ryan needs to be squashed
So are your HC premiums 100% tax free like they were with employer based plans?
Do you really think Ryan is thinking he’s pulling the wool over Trump’s eyes?
I don’t believe that for a second. If he is Trump’s gonna come down on him like a ton of bricks. I think Ryan knows this.
It’s not a hot mess...its just being portrayed that way by certain people who like to bitch about problems but never solve them.
Ryan’s plan is going through four committees and then to a vote in the full Congress (step 1)
HHS Secretary will deregulate to the extent possible (step 2)
New legislation will be enacted in House and Senate (step 3)
I’ll find out for sure when I do my taxes with my accountant, but it doesn’t really matter at the end of the day. I’ll send a Freep-Mail separately to explain.
Repeal/replace is NOT ONE BILL.
I’m amazed at those here who obviously haven’t taken the time to watch Spicer explain this at every press briefing this week.
I like the way Trump put it, this bill opens negotiations on the three phased plan for repeal replace. This initial starting point is 1/3rd of the total.
And what problem can you point to that the Republicans have solved? There is absolutely nothing wrong with the people here who have no faith the Republicans will honor their promises. They haven’t yet, and all of their remedies depend on a future congress having the guts to do what they don’t.
The only part of Obamacare that should be brought back and expanded needs a new name. It goes by the term of “Cadillac tax”, but really it should be a phase-out of the tax-exempt compensation of employer health plan coverage. Like all such subsidies it distorts the market and is unfair to those who don’t qualify for them. It also creates incentives to have every small healthcare cost paid by a third party, and so not purchased with market pricing signals.
The wimps of both parties in Congress try to even it out by providing similar subsidies to those not getting such employer coverage, but that just increases the cost and delivery distortions in the market.
The answer is to get the federal government out of this stuff—not to extend its bad policies. Yet another reason that Obamacare repeal and the tax cuts should both be done in reconciliation this spring is that the personal income tax cuts should be enough to offset the employer healthcare-based subsidies that some have been receiving.
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