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Tuam Babies: "It would be... kinder to strangle these children at birth" said doctor
IrishCentral.com ^ | March 6, 2017 | Niall O'Dowd

Posted on 03/07/2017 12:24:53 AM PST by Jyotishi

This from Associated Press: "A mass grave containing the remains of babies and young children has been discovered at a former Catholic orphanage in Ireland, government-appointed investigators announced Friday in a finding that offered the first conclusive proof following a historian's efforts to trace the fates of nearly 800 children who perished there."

"A great many people are always asking what is the good of keeping these children alive? I quite agree that it would be a great deal kinder to strangle these children at birth than to put them out to nurse." -- Doctor Ella Webb, June 18, 1924, speaking about illegitimate children in care in Ireland at the time.

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How do you like euthanasia Irish Catholic style?

Have no doubt what happened in Tuam happened in such homes all over the country. Tuam came to light because of a fearless local writer, Catherine Corless, who suspected the truth and tracked it down with forensic clarity.

The same dreadful business was going on in other homes, too.

Elaine Byrne, a columnist with the Sunday Business Post in Ireland, discovered the quote above as she researched how on earth were up to 800 children allowed to die and their bodies be stuffed in a septic tank by the Bon Secours sisters in Tuam, County Galway.

Her answer is clear: it was condoned and covered up by the political, religious and medical establishment at the time.

Folks, Holy Catholic Ireland was a monstrous hoax. Rampant pro-abortion forces had nothing on God's little executioners when it came to children out of wedlock.

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Confirmation came this week that a mass grave of little children existed near the former Catholic orphanage. The Mother and Baby Homes Commission found an underground structure divided into 20 chambers containing "significant quantities of human remains."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catherinecorless; catholic; children; corless; eugenics; garbagearticle; ireland; irish; orphanage; stupidity
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1 posted on 03/07/2017 12:24:53 AM PST by Jyotishi
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To: Jyotishi

2 posted on 03/07/2017 12:27:56 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Jyotishi

This story is fake.


3 posted on 03/07/2017 12:32:09 AM PST by piasa
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To: piasa

This discovery was also reported in 2014.

How many times are they going to “discover” it and run lurid, sensationalist and distorted articles about it?

It seems a go-to story to get a visceral response. For what purpose?


4 posted on 03/07/2017 12:41:38 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Jyotishi

Is this the same journalist Niall O’Dowd who is a longtime Clinton associate and who was responsible for securing a visa for Gerry Adams of Sein Fein [a Marxist-Leninist terrorist group disguised as a political party]?


5 posted on 03/07/2017 12:50:38 AM PST by piasa
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To: Jyotishi
Why That Story About Irish Babies "Dumped In A Septic Tank" Is A Hoax (from Forbes)
6 posted on 03/07/2017 1:41:00 AM PST by BlessedBeGod (To restore all things in Christ. ~~~~ Appeasing evil is cowardice.)
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To: Jyotishi
"How do you like euthanasia Irish Catholic"

BLOOD LIBEL!!

There's absolutely nothing in the articles I found that indicate children were killed, either deliberately or by neglect!

The "scandal" is that A) They found bodies of young orphans (who died before being adopted) all buried together instead of in individual graves, and B) When a muckraker located all the death certificates for orphans who died there in a period from the 1920s to the 1970s, and compared them to all known burial records, they found that 800 of those death certificates - apparently all for children between 9 mo old and 3 yrs old (since that's all they've found so far) - had no corresponding burial records.

Now, just because they can't find burial records for 800 of the death certificates, it doesn't mean those records never existed, and certainly doesn't mean there are 800 bodies buried there. Is it possible that 40-to-90 year old burial records might have been misplaced or been destroyed in a fire? Or floodwater damaged beyond readability? (Does it rain in Ireland?)

And doesn't the existence of these 800 death certificates imply the presence of doctors or other medical personnel looking at the bodies of each one before they signed off? Is there even the barest hint of foul play in the deaths of a single one of the orphans?

So far they've only found "significant quantities of human remains," according to authorities. What exactly could "significant" mean? Dozens? Note the huge loopholes in the story lead that are big enough to drive the Titanic thru: "Alleged by [a private party]" and "Up to 800...". Gotta watch out for those "Up to" claims, as any shopper knows!

The narrow age range of bodies found so far suggests the nuns, instead of using their skimpy resources to buy proper graves for ALL the children who ever died there, decided to bury the tiniest children in an underground vault, and use the saved $$ to feed the living. Wow, what a scandal! Or maybe used the burial costs they saved to buy medicine, back in the pre-antibiotic days & pre-immunization days & pre-free national health care days, when children died of pneumonia, influenza, measles, mumps, scarlet fever, smallpox, TB, to name just a few.

By the time this is done, if they end up finding 100 bodies, that's 2 per year over 50 years. How many children they housed per year is anyone's guess, as the articles don't say, so it's impossible to tell if the death rate is normal for the population size and for the child mortality rate in the early 20th century.

Obviously this Irish journalist has learned well from her mentors in the American MSM, by spinning a story of "nuns saving on burial costs" into "Irish Version of the Holocaust".

7 posted on 03/07/2017 2:31:12 AM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
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To: ifinnegan
" story to get a visceral response. For what purpose?"

Sliming Christians, of course. Gotta prepare the way in the wilderness for the coming global Caliphate, by discrediting Islam's strongest competitor.

8 posted on 03/07/2017 2:33:06 AM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
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To: Jyotishi

For later


9 posted on 03/07/2017 2:47:30 AM PST by Lord Castlereagh
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
You sound like an admirer of Bill Donohue. All this is admitted by the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland.

He says not to believe the Commission of Investigation, don’t believe the Irish government, don’t even believe the Catholic Bishops, who have just reacted with “shock” and “shame” at the discovery of “significant human remains” at the former Mother and Baby Home at Tuam, County Galway.

Only Bill Donohue of the Catholic League in New York knows the truth – the same kind of "truth" Holocaust deniers might approve of.

Tuam babies horror is “fake news” says Bill Donohue of the Catholic League

10 posted on 03/07/2017 3:32:08 AM PST by protest1
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To: Jyotishi
Here is a direct link to an interview on youtube with Catherin Corless who uncovered this evil.

Tuam and Ireland's shame: unedited interview with Catherin Corless

11 posted on 03/07/2017 3:35:04 AM PST by protest1
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
"There's absolutely nothing in the articles I found that indicate children were killed, either deliberately or by neglect!"

From the article:

"The mortality rate was 25 percent on average over the years, only seven percent for the “normal” population."

"Catherine Corless tracked down death certificates for nearly 800 children. Eighteen she discovered died of starvation; yes, they were starved to death."

A 25% mortality rate and 18 confirmed to have been starved to death while in the care of the Nuns. No proof you say?

12 posted on 03/07/2017 3:44:47 AM PST by protest1
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To: Jyotishi

So revealing.... AND SO SICK!!


13 posted on 03/07/2017 3:47:30 AM PST by high info voter (Liberal leftists would have "un-friended" Paul Revere!)
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

You make very good points, CardCarryingMember. Anyone who has tried to do Irish genealogy knows that it is a struggle due to very sketchy records.


14 posted on 03/07/2017 4:13:02 AM PST by Old_Grouch (69 and AARP-free. Monthly FR contributor.)
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To: Jyotishi

So, Ireland is subjected to grueling poverty. Tens of thousands of orphaned babies are left in orphanages, many in horrible help. Hundreds die. And now the Catholics are blamed. Disgusting.


15 posted on 03/07/2017 4:26:58 AM PST by dangus
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Oh look. Another ill thought and unresearched anti-catholic screed.

The protocols of the elders of Ireland.


16 posted on 03/07/2017 4:46:19 AM PST by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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To: piasa

The Tuam babies were used to defend abortion. Huh?

Guardian 2014 excerpts:

“Tuam’s mothers and the unhappily pregnant today are not unconnected. It is time for Ireland to liberalise its abortion laws”

“All the missing children, it was said, were in the tank. This is supposition. No one knows precisely where they are. The site has not been searched.”

“O’Neill – a professional agitator himself – believes the popular outrage is fake. He is wrong. It was not the septic tank detail that propelled the story everywhere. It was the knowledge, brutally exposed, that young women, some of whom were raped or coerced, were abandoned by family, church and state to a punishment hostel after which they were almost always denied their children. It takes an expert cynic – or a denier – to dismiss this on a detail.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/05/horror-tuam-missing-babies-not-diminished

“Tuam babies horror is “fake news” says Bill Donohue of the Catholic League”

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/catholic-league-calls-tuam-baby-reports-fake-news

Irish Times 2014 excerpt:

“The deaths of these 796 children are not in doubt. Their numbers are a stark reflection of a period in Ireland when infant mortality in general was very much higher than today, particularly in institutions, where infection spread rapidly. At times during those 36 years the Tuam home housed more than 200 children and 100 mothers, plus those who worked there, according to records Corless has found.”

“What has upset, confused and dismayed her in recent days is the speculative nature of much of the reporting around the story, particularly about what happened to the children after they died. “I never used that word ‘dumped’,” she says again, with distress. “I just wanted those children to be remembered and for their names to go up on a plaque. That was why I did this project, and now it has taken [on] a life of its own.””

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/tuam-mother-and-baby-home-the-trouble-with-the-septic-tank-story-1.1823393

Taken on a life of its own like when we were kids and would sit in a circle whispering a sentence in each others ears. Remember? When the originator heard it, it had transformed. I bet they don’t do that in school anymore. Should be done every year grades 1 thru 4.


17 posted on 03/07/2017 4:55:10 AM PST by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: All

Have a look at “The Magdalene Sisters”


18 posted on 03/07/2017 6:49:53 AM PST by Robe (A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: MrEdd

you are right - this is 100% horsecrap

1) they found birth certificates
2) They cannot find burial records
3) So... the nuns killed babies and stuffed them in the sewer...
?????

They are pieces of crap for writing this


19 posted on 03/07/2017 6:53:39 AM PST by Mr. K (Go Trump!)
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

“Blood Libel”

Denier! Hate speech!


20 posted on 03/07/2017 7:13:23 AM PST by TheNext (RyanCare is FAKE Healthcare! VETO VETO VETO)
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