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To: dadfly
Truly repealing Obamacare would mean:

1. No more coverage of children up to age 26, even those still living in their parents' basement
2. Re-institution of lifetime caps
3. No coverage for preexisting conditions.

Of course insurance companies would be able to offer these if they wanted to, but only stupid companies would offer these without significant increases in premiums.

The evil of Obamacare was that the goodies were all rolled out to begin with, and then only after Americans got addicted to them did they roll out the penalties.

The Republicans have been talking about repealing the penalties, but not the benefits.

How are we supposed to pay for the benefits without any taxes or fees?

I haven't heard any politician yet mention anything rational with regard to Obamacare. It's all just posturing.

The idea that allowing insurance companies to sell insurance across state borders will bring costs down significantly is a real joke.

All it's going to do is force conservative states to accept the liberal nonsense of more highly populated Blue states, e.g. coverage for sex change operations, abortions, etc.

7 posted on 03/01/2017 7:12:12 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Why do we have to match benefits of Obamacare? Hundreds of thousands lost insurance when they foisted the O-care beast on the people. So if a family has to go back to the drawing board and pick a different policy, what’s the problem?

I do think they need to be on top of messaging. And I really think they need to box in insurers, they’re the enemy. Their bottom dollar is their only concern. I even think they might deliberately hose the deal if they don’t get what they want.


15 posted on 03/01/2017 7:23:21 PM PST by Kenny
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

“All it’s going to do is force conservative states to accept the liberal nonsense of more highly populated Blue states, e.g. coverage for sex change operations, abortions, etc.”

No. the way I understood what Trump said he wanted was for companies to have the choice to offer insurance to people in other states, the choice to cover various things or not. No forcing anyone to do anything.


16 posted on 03/01/2017 7:24:15 PM PST by b4me (If Jesus came to set us free, why are so many professed Believers still in chains?)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

let’s see, taking your comment seriously (which is hard to do).

obamacare repeal downsides:

none.

obamacare repeal upsides (just a few off the top of my head):

people and their young adult kids could work full time again and support themselves and start their families.

the economy could boom again.

the national debt could be managed instead of destroying our financial system.

kids could get off their parent’s insurance which 99% don’t need.

insurance companies could sell insurance again instead of welfare and survive, not die off or leave the market entirely, leaving us with single payer as the only option.

healthy people can stop getting sick while trying not to use obamacare.

sick people can stop dying because they can get healthcare instead of just being covered.

healthy people can be free to take care of themselves with their doctors without gov’t interference.

doctors can be free to make a living and take care of their patients again, instead looking after all of the gov’t requirements.

doctors can stop trying to get data for the gov’t to institute fascistic control of the people.

people or taxpayers could stop paying the massive subsidies and deductibles required for no heath care.

oh well, i could go on for pages, but that should be more enough to answer your argument.

cheers FRiend.


19 posted on 03/01/2017 7:34:07 PM PST by dadfly
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I assume you would also eliminate Medicare? If so, my elderly self and elderly wife would have the choice of becoming destitute within a couple of years and either have a painful death or suicide. Ours is a common situation even with people like us who have adequately saved for retirement or those yet working.

I would hardly expect the Medical and Pharmaceutical industry to reduce their profits.


25 posted on 03/01/2017 8:31:41 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
1. No more coverage of children up to age 26,

That's not a big deal either way, virtually no effect on premiums.

2. Re-institution of lifetime caps

True.

3. No coverage for preexisting conditions.

Not within the general "healthy pool" but rather it is done by sequestering them in High Risk Pools, funded by all carriers.

but not the benefits.

What benefits? It's welfare. It has subsidized premiums but has coverage limitations, deductibles and co-pays so high...they can't even use it. It's junk. People hate it.

I haven't heard any politician yet mention anything rational with regard to Obamacare.

Repealing it altogether sounds pretty rational. Even just going back to the way it was is a massive improvement.

The idea that allowing insurance companies to sell insurance across state borders will bring costs down significantly is a real joke.

Wrong!

The main concepts are selling across state lines and portability...Some states (like those in the Northeast) have rotten public policy, and some have excellent market conditions.

People will obviously gravitate to the best plans, and the carriers will be shouting from the rooftops who has the best plans. Just exactly like life, homeowners, or car insurance.

All it's going to do is force conservative states to accept the liberal nonsense of more highly populated Blue states, e.g. coverage for sex change operations, abortions, etc.

Yeah, that's ridiculous.

Healthy people will buy the best deals from whatever state out there, and the stupid carriers will either barely continue to exist with ultra-high premiums....or succumb to the rigors of adverse selection and go bankrupt after a long "death-spiral".

30 posted on 03/01/2017 9:58:23 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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