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Prohibited Possessor Plea Bargain in 80% Receiver/Machine Shop Case
ammoland ^ | 25 February, 2017 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 02/28/2017 5:27:24 AM PST by marktwain

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To: marktwain

I remember another raid by ATF agents years ago on an unlicensed manufacturing firm in So Cal. They made unlabeled submachine guns for various South American clients. It was rumored LBJ quietly OK’d the manufacture until the place was raided.

It never made national news as it happened the same week Bobby Kennedy was murdered so all eyes were on Los Angeles.

Had Bobby Kennedy not been shot, the news media would have been all over that story.


21 posted on 02/28/2017 6:43:53 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (GAY MARRIAGE- Like declaring a dog's tail to be a leg giving a dog 5 legs. But it is still a tail!)
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To: from occupied ga

The prohibited person is a felon. You lose your 2nd amendments rights when you are a convicted criminal.
Making a firearm for yourself is perfectly fine, no serial numbers needed.
He was manufacturing and selling firearms without a license.
these aren’t new laws. You are free to break the law and suffer the consequences, or change the law.
BTW, I have a type 7 FFL and I have to obey the law.


22 posted on 02/28/2017 7:46:48 AM PST by jazv
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You lose your 2nd amendments rights when you are a convicted criminal.

Legally, but I wonder do you lose your first amendment rights too? If not why not? Just more unconstitutional laws designed to reduce the number of people owning firearms

He was manufacturing and selling firearms without a license

Actually if you read the article and comments, he wasn't. He was simply renting machine shop time and providing instruction on how to use the machines. The purchasers did all of the machining to finish the receivers themselves. At no point did he even touch the items for the final machining.

23 posted on 02/28/2017 7:57:03 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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The case is being pushed in the national media as an 80% receiver manufacturing case.

Generally no mention of the prohibited possessor charges.

IMHO, this is being used to scare off machine shop owners from setting up tool rentals for people with 80% receivers. The man was a prohibited possessor, so they had him on that. It is probably why he did a plea bargain rather than go to a jury trial.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gear/a25302/three-years-prison-3d-printed-guns/
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If I may, this is a yet another case of govt overreach; the only ‘prohibited possessor’ are those in PRISON (IE: This is no valid\Constitutional ‘gun control law’).

It’s another flexing of govt muscle, another Randy Weaver, Waco, Bundy, EPA, BLM, BTAF ‘exercise’.

He was ignorant to not go w/ a jury trial (though, I’m sure the “judge’s orders” would have been another kangaroo court).


24 posted on 02/28/2017 9:48:23 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: Azeem; Ouderkirk

And my car, having motor mounts = I drive grand prix.

Yep, more govt/lawyer/judicial (I repeat myself) nonsense.


25 posted on 02/28/2017 9:51:02 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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The NFA laws are unconstitutional but in the case of the AK, they are correct. The semi auto AK only requires a trigger pin and hammer pin. The third pin is only for the full auto sear.

If we can get rid of the dumb NFA laws, I’m drilling the 3rd pin.


26 posted on 02/28/2017 10:15:56 AM PST by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: i_robot73

I’m not saying I agree, but a PCR-80, a completed AR lower and one with the holes drilled for full-auto are three completely different things in the eyes of the BATF.

I still believe that the NFA of 1933 and the GCA of 1968 are unconstitutional.


27 posted on 02/28/2017 10:25:30 AM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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I’m not saying I agree, but a PCR-80, a completed AR lower and one with the holes drilled for full-auto are three completely different things in the eyes of the BATF.
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Right, ‘cause it’s the HOLES that make it go 30K-bullets/min. (pew pew pew, ‘Merica) all by itself.

Much like the lower, and ONLY the lower, is a ‘firearm’? BATF, like much of govt, doesn’t\wouldn’t know their ass from their elbow; much less care about the Constitution (unless it can be used to cover their own asses).

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I still believe that the NFA of 1933 and the GCA of 1968 are unconstitutional.
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‘Cause, they ARE.


28 posted on 02/28/2017 10:38:52 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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