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To: EarthResearcher333; KC Burke

All of this to say that if enough tendons for enough (blocks?) for a given gate lose enough of their tension, apparently the gate will fail. Does a “failed gate” mean the gate won’t open or close or will stay stuck either opened or closed?

If enough gates fail, do we have yet another avenue for a potential catastrophe with this dam? It looks like failed gates means that either water continually spills or no there’s spillway capability or a % of both. Is there any reasonably potential scenario where the dam itself could fail as a result of the failed gates?

Honestly, this Oroville dam thing is starting to look like a soap opera. Everywhere you turn there’s dysfunction.


3,111 posted on 04/13/2017 1:54:09 PM PDT by Jim W N
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will run spillway at 35,000 7-10 days

power plant will be shut off for PM for about a week..

then when it does come back on only at 1/2 capacity for 5-6 weeks to do something to a tunnel


3,112 posted on 04/13/2017 2:26:20 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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I think that it means that the gate breaks free, or partially free of its mooring and is thus either stuck in a cockeyed position or blown down the spillway. Meaning that 1 of 8 gates will no longer have a door. Water will spill through that one until the reservoir level drops below about 812 feet +/-.


3,113 posted on 04/13/2017 3:14:38 PM PDT by meyer (The Constitution says what it says, and it doesn't say what it doesn't say.)
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To: Jim 0216; KC Burke; meyer
"All of this to say that if enough tendons for enough (blocks?) for a given gate lose enough of their tension, apparently the gate will fail. Does a “failed gate” mean the gate won’t open or close or will stay stuck either opened or closed?"

There are distinct stages of "failure" from losing any imbedded Post-Tensioned Anchor Tendon steel rods. The first (1) is loss of strength. This passes the stress to other anchor tendons, which could lead to their failing (an "unzipping effect"). (2) is where a tilt may develop that could bind the trunnion pins. A "binding" could accompany a side force from the Radial Gate slides on the sidewalls of the chute concrete column. (3) if a "tilt" + "binding" occurs, the Radial gate could become inoperable to fully close. Then it would remain open to the scouring depth of 813.6ft of the incoming aggregate covered inlet. (4) Radial Gates are slowly changed in height based on the reservoir "head" (pressure) level to yield a given overall flow rate to the 8 chutes during releases. A stuck gate would cause an imbalance to this choreograph & would imbalance the mixing flows in the immediate upper spillway. (4) any "stuck" open Radial Gate would impede the repair schedules as this is a safety hazard until the gate is blocked off with "stop logs".

An interesting component to the "stresses" that the anchor tendons need to include (but is a smaller factor) are any dynamic forces that ride on top of the hydrostatic forces. Not all is a smooth flow - even though it looks as such. An example is that Hydrodynamic Fluid Flow model testing found that certain gates would feel an "oscillation force" at different frequencies from different flow rates. They measured these "pressure force" oscillations using a large array of tiny piezometer sensors (dynamic strain gauge sensors). Gate 8 had the highest hertz rate or cycles per second near 4 hz. Below are the plots from testings. These dynamic oscillation forces are summed with the average hydrostatic force of the flow & head pressure. (anyone stopped in traffic in the middle of a concrete bridge span will recognize the "flexing" bounce of the suspension waves caused by other moving vehicles - same thing here except on a different scale, but it exists as an oscillating force. The Gate Structure is highly stiff with regard to these waves..the safety factor should well contain any of these boundary summations). But, designers must understand and be aware of resonant frequencies & make sure their designed structure is not aligned/tuned to one of these….

Gate Inlet Pressure Oscillations at different flow rates. Data from piezometer sensors instrumented within the Hydrodynamic Fluid Flow model of the Spillway. Note that certain gates (sensor numbers) & the curvature location in the gate had superimposed water pressure oscillations at various frequencies during flow.



3,115 posted on 04/13/2017 8:43:22 PM PDT by EarthResearcher333
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