Posted on 02/08/2017 7:36:51 AM PST by SeekAndFind
On the issue of health care, Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Ted Cruz (R-Texas) agree on very little.
At a town hall debate Tuesday night hosted by CNN, the two former presidential candidates clashed on the future of the Affordable Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare, which President Donald Trump and Republican members of Congress have vowed to repeal.
One of the more spirited exchanges came after Sanders asked Cruz if he believes, as Sanders does, that every American is entitled to health care as a right.
“What is a right is access to health care,” Cruz said. “What is a right is choosing your own doctor.” Another right people have is “for government not to mess with you,” he said.
Sanders snapped back, saying that without enough money to afford such care, access to it is meaningless.
“You want to buy one of Donald Trump’s mansions? You have access to do that as well,” he said. “Oh, you can’t afford $5 million for a house? Sorry. Access doesn’t mean a damn thing! What it means is whether people can afford it, can get the health care that they need.”
In his opening remarks, Sanders acknowledged the Affordable Care Act isn’t perfect, but said repealing it would have devastating consequences to millions of Americans. Cruz, who has repeatedly called for a full repeal, said that unlike Sanders and Democrats, who “want government to control health care,” he trusts people and their doctors to make their own choices.
Watch a clip of the exchange below.
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Cruz won, but I wish he had said something like “We ALL have access to the mansion. If we really want it and if we work hard and save our money then we CAN have that mansion if we really want it. It’s not just going to be given to us.”
I get Medicaid coverage.
Bernie Sanders’ statement people don’t get access to health care is a flat-out lie.
Nobody is being left to die on the streets due to inability to pay for health care.
Neither does a 5% rebate on the new Mercedes AMG S65, at $236,250 msrp. Such is life.
Not ever going to give Huffblows traffic. They are fake news 99% of the time. Severely progressive. Extremely unreliable.
To a poor man: “You don’t have to pay $750 a month because you get a subsidy...You only pay $250 a month....”
Untold to the same man: “If you use the ACA, you have a $12,000 deductible...”
Not very affordable.
So how can you “afford” it? Well, the best way over the long term is to create a dynamic market that drives the cost of new procedures and drugs down. That happens. What people don’t like is that they don’t all have access to the top of the line, new treatments and drugs without paying a fortune. But the paradox is that if you remove the profit incentive to creating new drugs, progress will stop. Everyone will be able to afford the current treatments but nothing new will be produced and medical technology and procedures will stagnate. If we put universal healthcare in place in the 1950s, our medical technology and medicines would probably have advanced to the point where they were in the 1970s at this point.
It’s just semantics. But the biggest healthcare problem is cost, not who’s going to pay.
Didn’t Sanders say that Democrats and Republicans are owned by the Pharmaceuticals? Make that the entire healthcare establishment.
I’m getting suspicious of the “medical breakthrough” stories run regularly on the evening news. They are also advertisements for the medical industry.
Get your iPad handy and look up the cost of the numerous prescription drugs advertised in TV commercials. Go to goodrx.com.
The health care debacle suggests that I who busted my rear for decades and had to pay for it along with everything else that I have would be free for snowflakes and indigents in general and then now I would also have to pay for them too??
Find the truly needy folks in our society and I am happy to help where I can. But the useless crud that wants to sit on their fat @$$e$ watching flat screen tvs and living off of everything I have earned for decades can go pound sand.
I didn’t see it. But there needs to be, if you talk about unfairness, a point made re poor people not having to put forth one iota of effort to get expensive treatments and time with learned medical professionals. The squirrel who works hardest should get the most nuts. Middle class people struggle to afford braces for their kids’ teeth and often do without something else in their life (including leisure time!) to pay for them. Whereas there are “programs” for poor people to get free braces. Their parents didn’t have to put ANY EFFORT toward the cost. Things like that are so unfair.
And the appropriate response to this communist puke is, "And O-Holecare ensures no one will be able to afford it, you dumbass.
Or just run against hitlary and she’ll give you a mansion to go away, right boiney?
Maybe Sanders doesn’t remember what it was like before Obamacare. I couldn’t afford health care insurance before going on Medicare & then there was no Obamacare. Obamacare came along & money was taken from Medicare(& other things)in an effort to make it work. It hasn’t worked for the most part.
And if you put the government in charge NO ONE will be able to afford it.
Doctors used to make house calls- I remember one coming to my house when I was a kid.
It means something to those who CAN afford it. And those that can’t might want to look at working toward a career that brings in more money.
Same thing can be said for cars, houses, food and anything else people want to have. That is why we work.
I’m still trying to figure out why the government is involved, other than to protect a business environment that ensures maximum efficiency between buyers, sellers and producers of products.
And socialism makes it unaffordable because those not paying taxes get their voice subsidized while those who do get shut down
enough said
Make them watch CRT picture tubes.
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