Is California Really Going to Secede?

New York Magazine ^ | 01/30/2017 | By Ed Kilgore

[SeekAndFind]

Thanks. I gather that Jefferson is the more conservative part of these two states?

[Old Teufel Hunden]

If they do secede, this wall just got a whole lot more expensive. Not only building the wall with Mexico, now we’re going to have to wall off that whole new Socialist Workers of California country. Before they secede, please rescue all Marines at Camp Pendleton, Mirimar and MCRD San Diego...

[JamesP81]

CA should leave. I am not in favor of forcing people to stay in a relationship they no longer want.

In fact, I will donate to this cause if someone were to set up a GoFundMe or something.

[Fiji Hill]

A major problem facing an independent California would be the "red" counties in the north and east, whose residents would likely want to remain in the Union. These counties contain most of the reservoirs on which the state depends for its water and many of its tourist attractions such as Yosemite National Park. And these counties have a lot more guns and gun owners who know how to use them than do the "blue" counties along the coast.

Should California secede, the "red" counties will probably try to secede from California and form a new state, as western Virginia's counties did in 1861.

[central_va]

Why would anyone want to be belligerent(bellicose?) towards California while it is in transition to an independent country? We in the USA should try to help them not hinder them. Please explain.

[Redleg Duke]

If they do, can they take NYC and Ithaca with them?

[Redleg Duke]

If they do, can they take NYC and Ithaca with them?

[enduserindy]

Simply stop sharing water from the other surrounding states and Southern California is sol. There isn’t enough anyway as the liberals have been telling us for years.

[Fiji Hill]

Thanks. I gather that Jefferson is the more conservative part of these two states?

Yes. All of the California counties that would comprise Jefferson, with the exception of Mendocino, are "red," and the same probably goes for the Oregon counties. If not for Portland, Oregon would be a "red" state.

[freedumb2003]

Half a million American deaths prepaid this decision.

As fun as it is to say adios, the answer is NO.

They will just have to get with the program. Think George Wallace in the 1960s, only in reverse.

[Southside_Chicago_Republican]

California is 45% federally-owned land — Park Service, Forest Service, BLM, military. What do they do about that?

[lacrew]

California reminds me of Europe in one respect - their unwillingness to develop their own resources has left them dependent on others.

California can’t secede, until they figure out how to produce their own energy and impound their own water.

[MarMema]

Count me in.

[WMarshal]

Why don't they say the truth, that California has reached a point where immigrants outnumber the native born Americans? Not one traditional American in California wants to secede from the United States, it's all the illegal immigrants, immigrants and their first generation children that want to do so. I say if they try it America should bomb the hell out of the three cities: San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Sacramento where the locus of the problem lies. After these cities surrender then we deport the survivors to Mexico. The military campaign can be named “Reboot California”.

[crusher2013]

My family has lived in Southern California for over 100 years.

We are not Scum and my family is probably more accomplished than yours.

[Iron Munro]

Why would anyone want to be belligerent(bellicose?) towards California while it is in transition to an independent country?
We in the USA should try to help them not hinder them.

You would think that democrats would be leading the opposition to California's secession and demonstrating against it instead of running around in their pink pussy hats grossing people out.

Think about the impact on the balance of power in national elections if democrats were to lose California's 55 electoral votes.

Without California in the mix this last election would have been 306 electoral votes for Trump and 177 for Clinton.

Trump would have lost 3.9 million votes while Hillary would have lost a whopping 7.4 million votes - almost twice as many as Trump.

[CatOwner]

Disconnect the FEDERAL electric grid.

Which would likely take down Free Republic's server, and as such, this forum.

[CatOwner]

Without California in the mix this last election would have been 306 electoral votes for Trump and 177 for Clinton.

I get the basic point, but in reality, the 53 congressional districts would be reapportioned to the rest of the country (House would remain at 435 seats).

[central_va]

It seems to me that the USA has been doing CA a favor by letting her stay in the Union all these years while acting like the crazy uncle in the attic.

If the crazy uncle living in your attic wants to leave home and go out on his own then YOU LET HIM!

[RealVirginia]

California is, or was, an agricultural powerhouse. Why should we give up such valuable land? Better to send the invaders back to Mexico and the leftists to Canada.