Plan for California to secede from United States picking up steam

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[TigerClaws]

California's secretary of state has given the green light for a group to take the first step in the political process for the state to secede from the United States.

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[Laser_Ray]

Agreed, but the time for doing that was decades ago and not when literally half the nation had its entire economy hardwired to the practice. And that was our fault for letting it GET that far, not the South’s. Had we drawn a line in the sand in the time of the 13 colonies the pro-slave states would have quickly cried uncle. By the time Sumter was shelled Lincoln had only two awful choices as the standing President: fight or surrender.

Its reminiscent of Ron Paul’s idea of issuing letters of marque to take out ISIS: great thing to do but wholly inadequate for the scale of the problem at hand.

[fr_freak]

Claro que si

[fr_freak]

And I guess you'd drink up whatever blood was spilled, too, like a regular James Chesnut, Jr.

What a silly thing to say. Do you know how many Americans, how many human beings, have gone to war in our history? How many do you think were "blood drinkers"? Good, decent men can recognize the need for war and participate in it, even if it makes them sick to do so. It merely depends on the worthiness of the cause. The USA for decades now has been heading down a road that leads to extreme tragedy and oppression of biblical proportions. It must stop. We'll see what Trump can do, but we must still be prepared to do what has to be done, should it become necessary. Our forefathers would be ashamed of us if we did less.

And by the way, I've already been to war once for this country. I wasn't Rambo. I was just there, like every other guy around me, just trying to do my duty.

[Loyalist]

Don’t underestimate the strength of this movement. The Hispanic population’s loyalty to the United States, even among native-born Hispanics, shrinks as its proportion of the population of California grows.

Many of the white liberal elites in L.A. and the Bay Area imagine that they would be running a country according to their own cultural and political desires. This delusion would come up hard and heavy against the reality of the Hispanics wanting to run it like the dumps they came from.

California could vote for secession, but the aftermath wouldn’t be pleasant.

[Roger Kaputnik]

“...You are welcome in the great state of Jefferson...”

Wonderful news. Thank you for the invitation, and don’t forget about your offer because I may take you up on that if it all goes sideways.

Best regards, FRiend.

[lefty-lie-spy]

Placer county and above through the northeast of California is pretty solid conservative. So is Fresno and surrounding areas, and places along the delta too. All the live are in San Francisco, Los Angeles, and surrounding areas. At least I think that is still pretty accurate.

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Senator Chestnut was the man who said he'd drink up all the blood that would be shed in the Civil War (before it happened -- it would have been quite a task afterwards). He said he thought it wouldn't be more than a thimbleful.

Before a war, an invasion, a national break-up or a societal breakdown happens it's easy to act like it's no big deal, but California secession would affect our lives in ways we can't even imagine now -- and another civil war would make an even bigger change in how we live.

A lot of bravado and exaggeration comes before catastrophes, and it looks very bad to those how come afterwards. Splitting up the country or killing each other in the streets wouldn't make life better for anybody. I wouldn't put it past the Chinese, the Russians or some terrorist group to encourage talk of secession and civil war in order to weaken the US.